tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7272174149265458740.post3416624445015111578..comments2023-06-01T10:59:07.627+01:00Comments on Pits'n'pots: BRING THE U.S. TO US!Tonyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09477240165204150850noreply@blogger.comBlogger55125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7272174149265458740.post-77976734846973006872008-11-04T11:58:00.000+00:002008-11-04T11:58:00.000+00:00Gary,Where have I advocated democracy by quango he...Gary,<BR/><BR/>Where have I advocated democracy by quango here? I have advocated the public holding the council/councillors to account in a public meeting. I've not mentioned the Transition Board on this thread. Please accept my apologies if I have confused you. You're entitled to your views on the TB, just as I am - that, my friend, is one of the pillars of a democracy.Former Town Clerk's Depthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12939226754061756886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7272174149265458740.post-13446900172148323012008-11-03T11:52:00.000+00:002008-11-03T11:52:00.000+00:00Mr Elsby was this left wing speech you heard when ...Mr Elsby was this left wing speech you heard when you had lost the election to us again?<BR/><BR/>I am not bothered about sodding Peter Bent Bagguley. Craig is coming to get him!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7272174149265458740.post-55584528221608917372008-11-03T10:11:00.000+00:002008-11-03T10:11:00.000+00:00I've been around too long to be fooled even more t...I've been around too long to be fooled even more than I already have been and so I reject the nonsense of PKB being a lesser councillor than most.<BR/><BR/>I was there in May as PKB made his leader speech to the assembled at the voting count.<BR/><BR/>He flattened all comers with an honesty that Roger Ibbs doesn't have.<BR/><BR/>Mike Tappin and the rest were voted out, just like we said they would be.<BR/><BR/>I may not be helpful to the Labour cause by pointing these things out, but hey, that's what honesty does for you.<BR/><BR/>Peter isn't my hero, he is just an honest man with a reputation that precedes him.<BR/><BR/>I admire that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7272174149265458740.post-44889106998772643372008-11-03T00:41:00.000+00:002008-11-03T00:41:00.000+00:00Gary - The marxist/stalinist views of Peter Kent-B...Gary - The marxist/stalinist views of Peter Kent-Baguley are widely known amongst councillors and officers. If you are in any doubt just speak to Reg Booth, he now regrets ever having become involved with the man after where it's got him. Admittedly Kent-Baguley can do a good job of hiding his views to certain people such as one time Potteries Alliance councillor Ted Owen who has right wing leanings and in the past has used material copied from the BNP in his literature.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7272174149265458740.post-77883622168054758432008-11-02T21:46:00.000+00:002008-11-02T21:46:00.000+00:00What's this, "no such thing as society", no refere...What's this, "no such thing as society", no reference to phoneboxes.<BR/>Your slipping!Craig Pondhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11209007646313862194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7272174149265458740.post-15171672387635259202008-11-02T21:28:00.000+00:002008-11-02T21:28:00.000+00:00Comments like these do not help Gary, Kent Baggale...Comments like these do not help Gary, Kent Baggaley does not deserve to be given any credibility at all.<BR/><BR/>As I said earlier Kent Baggaley will never become leader of the council and is ridiculed by other councillors for his delusions of grandeur.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7272174149265458740.post-31625250889056480942008-11-02T18:41:00.000+00:002008-11-02T18:41:00.000+00:00Gary, spouting ineligible claptrap again, I see.Gary, spouting ineligible claptrap again, I see.Craig Pondhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11209007646313862194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7272174149265458740.post-56409667629840878932008-11-02T10:20:00.000+00:002008-11-02T10:20:00.000+00:00A number of points.First, to Bob Baguley who denou...A number of points.<BR/><BR/>First, to Bob Baguley who denounces PKB with passion.<BR/><BR/>Peter was asked to come into the Labour Party at short notice to fight an election for us in an area heading towards the BNP. He didn't have enough service in to fulfil the rules but those same rules do allow special circumstances. PKB fought and won the seat for us.<BR/>The reason he, Salhi and Booth were susspended (6 months) was because of a vote breach. (Leader, Deputy and Chief whip. Wow!).They formed an oppsosition during the suspension and this clearly broke the rules. With all the will in the world, no one could save them.<BR/><BR/>The argument lies in whether they were wrong in the very first place and a poll of all Labour members would suggest that they were not and should never have been put into that position.<BR/><BR/>That was my view to the recent Labour NEC visit to this City, recently which gave a full account of the situation on the ground.<BR/><BR/>My party will always support whoever the group itself chooses as leader(for them, remember)and so it would be wildly unfair of me to suggest we all support PKB as leader of the Council (as told to me by many many many 'friends').PKB is neither a lunatic, a Communist or a anything other than a clever socially minded person.Good luck to him.<BR/><BR/>Tony Turbo makes the point that not everyone in the Abbey is a racist. He's right. A significant part of my vote came from there. He also asks for proof of my encounter with the Nazi shouting the odds.<BR/><BR/>Sorry, Mr. Turbo, my name is Gary Elsby and therefore your request is rather pointless. Just accept what I say as being the truth as told by me.<BR/><BR/>To the former Town Clerk. Once again you promote Democracy via a quango. I support Democracy ONLY by elected people, whether they are Republicans,former terrorists, ex jailbirds (Mandella+Adams)Labour and even, if I have to, Conservatives.The BNP have a legitimate right to promote division and racism.<BR/><BR/>I do not and never will accept a 'transition board'.<BR/><BR/>Stoke-on-Trent has just given its Democracy back to the voters with no second preference votes required.<BR/>Single member wards, changed boundaries, higher paid councillors,Billionaires becoming councillors, who cares? That's life.<BR/><BR/>Elected people have done the business and unelected people have the chance to either put up, shut up don't put up and shout loudly.<BR/><BR/>Just like everywhere else in this Country. So why Stoke for the quango? It is the Government that got it wrong, not the people of Stoke.<BR/><BR/>Get rid of this Transition Board.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7272174149265458740.post-36368724566863653442008-11-01T09:48:00.000+00:002008-11-01T09:48:00.000+00:00Approach the Council and see if they want to do so...Approach the Council and see if they want to do something like this?<BR/><BR/>http://www.staffordshire.gov.uk/yourcouncil/questiontime/<BR/><BR/>The recent White Paper, Communities in Control, suggests that the Government will legislate to ensure that Councils have a statutory 'duty to promote democracy'. This is the kind of thing that would help a lot.Former Town Clerk's Depthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12939226754061756886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7272174149265458740.post-37523851425190475742008-10-31T22:53:00.000+00:002008-10-31T22:53:00.000+00:00Bob Bagley you need to cool down. Theres no need t...Bob Bagley you need to cool down. Theres no need to get wound up about Kent Baggaley, he will never become leader of the council and is ridiculed by other councillors for his delusions of grandeur when only working from a phone box!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7272174149265458740.post-44340435813405184282008-10-31T21:10:00.000+00:002008-10-31T21:10:00.000+00:00May I suggest that people read Terry Turbo's blog ...May I suggest that people read Terry Turbo's blog which can be accessed through his profile. Just click on his name, ok!Tonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09477240165204150850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7272174149265458740.post-54068475675422294852008-10-31T19:54:00.000+00:002008-10-31T19:54:00.000+00:00I was born in the Abbey,also from a large family, ...I was born in the Abbey,also from a large family, and the split in political following is no different than anywhere else.<BR/>To accuse the people of that area of anything else is a total fabrication, and an insult to the people who live their.<BR/>I believe that the reason why there is not a mix of races is because the main areas of mixed races is close to the town centres, where mono cultures have formed themselves into mono communities.<BR/>Gary Elsby these comments you made, can you substantiate your remarks, or is this a fantasy?<BR/>Maybe black people live in the Abbey? don't you know?terry turbohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05784175741266339217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7272174149265458740.post-91538797965201191242008-10-31T17:22:00.000+00:002008-10-31T17:22:00.000+00:00Fancy a bit later Craig?Fancy a bit later Craig?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7272174149265458740.post-49633257515936331492008-10-31T17:05:00.000+00:002008-10-31T17:05:00.000+00:00No Martin, and the only one talking shite round he...No Martin, and the only one talking shite round here is you.<BR/><BR/>St George, I just told you it was a flippant remark. I know the difference between being racist and religionist as you will gather if you have read my posts. If it wasn't flippant, I wouldn't have said it was.brooneyeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08858733156838423939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7272174149265458740.post-35199398431091253732008-10-31T16:30:00.000+00:002008-10-31T16:30:00.000+00:00Craig, please, get a grip, stop talking so much sh...Craig, please, get a grip, stop talking so much shit, you should get a career in comedy. The word pig racist towards muslims? The only people I thought it was racist towards was coppers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7272174149265458740.post-21182833163281235112008-10-31T16:11:00.000+00:002008-10-31T16:11:00.000+00:00CraigI am no so sure this was just a flippant rema...Craig<BR/><BR/>I am no so sure this was just a flippant remark. <BR/><BR/>The BNP machine always mixes this up.<BR/><BR/>They must be brain washing you ??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7272174149265458740.post-24187317117955373522008-10-31T15:34:00.000+00:002008-10-31T15:34:00.000+00:00Gary, the example I gave about Mr. Peter K-B was o...Gary, the example I gave about Mr. Peter K-B was only meant to be a general one.<BR/><BR/>The fact is that while you are clearly a mainstream Labour supporter this man is some kind of Darwinian throwback to a time when your party was more interested in following self imposed extremist political ideology than winning elections and being able to do things to help ordinary people. His time as deputy leader of your party clearly brought into focus his Stalinist dictatorial behaviour. No wonder he didn't last very long after the Labour party told him enough was enough.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7272174149265458740.post-46509973351818387462008-10-31T14:53:00.000+00:002008-10-31T14:53:00.000+00:00St George, it was a flippant remark, not meant to ...St George, it was a flippant remark, not meant to be taken as some kind of accurate comment on<BR/>multiculturalism. Get a life dude.brooneyeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08858733156838423939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7272174149265458740.post-41729043009023025812008-10-31T14:37:00.000+00:002008-10-31T14:37:00.000+00:00" brooneyes said... You can't mention pig, that is..." brooneyes said... <BR/>You can't mention pig, that is a racist remark against the muslims.<BR/><BR/>31 October 2008 13:19"<BR/><BR/>Craig,<BR/>Please explain this remark. <BR/><BR/>I always thought that being a Muslim meant a person following that religion ? <BR/><BR/>I could be wrong, of course, because Christians must be white - if we follow that logic, and yet I seem to remember a book informing me that 2008 years ago, a child was born to a very non white young couple, and he grew up to preach to all of the area we roughly know as Isreal, and of course those pesky immigrant Romans (Italians and their conquered nations). <BR/><BR/>He said something about treating others as we would expect to be treated, not upsetting your neighbour... any of this remotely familiar ??<BR/><BR/>You are indigenous to England, aren't you ??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7272174149265458740.post-53292757080521986482008-10-31T13:19:00.000+00:002008-10-31T13:19:00.000+00:00You can't mention pig, that is a racist remark aga...You can't mention pig, that is a racist remark against the muslims.brooneyeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08858733156838423939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7272174149265458740.post-25477960382945955992008-10-31T12:19:00.000+00:002008-10-31T12:19:00.000+00:00You know it would make sense for the cranks and cr...You know it would make sense for the cranks and crackpots (BNP, Independents and Potteries Alliance) to all get together in one group so we don't get confused between them.<BR/><BR/>Taking the best from each, how about the British Potteries Independent Group (or British PIG for short)?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7272174149265458740.post-23099331395581824732008-10-31T12:09:00.000+00:002008-10-31T12:09:00.000+00:00Everyone knows Abbey's a whites only part of the c...Everyone knows Abbey's a whites only part of the city just as much as they know they're mainly anti-social shite and dole scroungers. Why bother with the area Gary? If they want to believe the BNP bollocks let them. Then maybe when companies start thinking twice about jobs in the city they'll wake up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7272174149265458740.post-56050534361320355562008-10-31T11:46:00.000+00:002008-10-31T11:46:00.000+00:00Craig, again dishes the dirt on me.As the failing ...Craig, again dishes the dirt on me.<BR/>As the failing candidate in the Abbey (a massive year on year increase in my vote as others went into freefall)I can give an insight into what goes on.<BR/><BR/>First, it was my fault in failing. I missed one trick that would have secured my win and hopefully this will be my only trick if or when I face Alby Walker. I will take bets now that I will beat him.<BR/><BR/>During my campaign in the Abbey, I came across the local die hard Nazi BNP big mouth supporter (businessman) ripping me off publicly. I loved this.<BR/><BR/>He blatantly went about shouting the odds of how wonderful all things Alby was and all these 'niggers and Paki's should be fucked off!'<BR/><BR/>I asked him of asylum seekers, the champion cry of the BNP. He told me and the crowd, now gathered, that they are 'everywhere'.<BR/>I enquired, where?<BR/>EVERYWERE, he shouted (very loudly).<BR/>Where, exactly?, I asked very politely.<BR/><BR/>Are you thick, Gary?<BR/>Maybe, just tell me where.<BR/><BR/>'Duck, tell this thicko where they all are!(I think he meant me).<BR/>Everywhere, she said, with a look that could kill.<BR/>Deep breath,where? take me to one, just one that's all.I said.<BR/><BR/>You're too fucking thick to understand, Gary, they are everywhere all over the Abbey!They get all the houses first and we get none!<BR/><BR/>There aren't any and you're making it up, I said, and you couldn't take me to one if you tried.<BR/><BR/>You won't get a fucking vote here in the Abbey and Alby will piss all over you!<BR/><BR/>His wife (actually) Ellie beat me on that occassion after two recounts. I will not go into the 'missing 100 votes' that won it for me and I remain defeated.<BR/><BR/>There are no asylum seekers in the Abbey and as far as I know, no Pakistani's (not that I give a damn if there are) and maybe black people do live there. Good for them.<BR/>I absolutely guarantee that I will crush Alby Walker, if given the chance.<BR/><BR/>GaryAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7272174149265458740.post-30404762094100153692008-10-31T11:38:00.000+00:002008-10-31T11:38:00.000+00:00Look, I'm the real Terry Cope, will you all stop i...Look, I'm the real Terry Cope, will you all stop it. Imitation is the highest form of flattery.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7272174149265458740.post-85299358573316516882008-10-31T11:06:00.000+00:002008-10-31T11:06:00.000+00:00That should differentiate me from the other T Cope...That should differentiate me from the other T Copes. I can now debate on here in peace without being hijacked by a bunch of tossers who seriously need to get a life pretending that I'm in a gay relationship with half the local party membership.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com