tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7272174149265458740.post3661939125286564629..comments2023-06-01T10:59:07.627+01:00Comments on Pits'n'pots: THE BEST QUESTION TIME - EVER!Tonyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09477240165204150850noreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7272174149265458740.post-229405560660758662008-10-20T18:11:00.000+01:002008-10-20T18:11:00.000+01:00Bob: yep Labour Cllrs have been contacted, but for...Bob: yep Labour Cllrs have been contacted, but for their own reasons etc.. no names. looks like few rebels labour campIan Norrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00788563566369423598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7272174149265458740.post-52851802376569036462008-10-20T17:40:00.000+01:002008-10-20T17:40:00.000+01:00Anon: if you have evidence of Racist comments or a...Anon: if you have evidence of Racist comments or actions then you should report these to the standards board immediatelyIan Norrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00788563566369423598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7272174149265458740.post-64547834112247942432008-10-19T23:23:00.000+01:002008-10-19T23:23:00.000+01:00Alan Rigby is a racist buffoonAlan Rigby is a racist buffoonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7272174149265458740.post-56427757649059642062008-10-19T21:15:00.000+01:002008-10-19T21:15:00.000+01:00Bob: I'm sure you find Alan Rigby public condendem...Bob: I'm sure you find Alan Rigby public condendemed and detested what the BNP stand for national.<BR/><BR/>No independent-BNP alliance is on the cards, so there is nothing to denounce. As far as i can gather Cllr rigby has spoken to Cllrs from all groups to gauge if they would work with him if he was to put his name forward as Leader.<BR/><BR/>You seem to be very friendly with Cllr Garner who sits on the EMB so she could advise you which way they would go, you seem to be certain ALL Labour Group are against SERCO yet vote in favour.Ian Norrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00788563566369423598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7272174149265458740.post-16096196143674438762008-10-19T20:03:00.000+01:002008-10-19T20:03:00.000+01:00How would I know about that Ian, I'm not a Labour ...How would I know about that Ian, I'm not a Labour councillor and you won't find my name on a list of Labour members.<BR/><BR/>Tell you what why don't you go and make yourself a cup of coffee, pick you the phone and give your mate Ann James a call to see if she will go with my suggestion of publicly ruling out a BNP-Independent coalition and getting Rigby thrown out of your group for courting the BNP. If she will then you've got me bang to rights, I'll have to withdraw my statements and apologise for all the things I've said about the City Independents. If not then this one will run and run. People who know me will tell you that I won't be gagged and I'm determined to speak out against the BNP and those who share their views whenever I come across such individuals, and Alan Rigby and perhaps others in your group seem to fit into this category.<BR/><BR/>I'm also big enough to admit it when I've got it wrong, so Tony and Longton friends please accept my sincere apologies for me having suggested a few weeks back that you were somehow BNP sympathisers, I now know that this is certainly not the case.<BR/><BR/>So what about it Ian, why not give it a go, you've got nothing to lose? I can't be any fairer that that!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7272174149265458740.post-80641632232948258162008-10-19T17:35:00.000+01:002008-10-19T17:35:00.000+01:00will Labour Cllrs or the Labour Group be supportin...will Labour Cllrs or the Labour Group be supporting. the recommendation from teh Scrutiny Committee in regards Trentham and the petition handed in.Ian Norrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00788563566369423598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7272174149265458740.post-11047072944583876152008-10-19T17:13:00.000+01:002008-10-19T17:13:00.000+01:00Ian my friend there is an old saying, if you lay d...Ian my friend there is an old saying, if you lay down with dogs you will get up with fleas.<BR/><BR/>You, Councillor Rigby, Councillor James and others associated with the City Independents would be wise to remember it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7272174149265458740.post-91422399409700715922008-10-19T15:25:00.000+01:002008-10-19T15:25:00.000+01:00Bob: if by any chance the public vote yes to Leade...Bob: if by any chance the public vote yes to Leader, the chance that the leader will be independent is low. It will most likly be a member of the Existing lib/tory/lab alliance. <BR/><BR/>Yes situation where Labour wont support the motion from Scrutiny "that Trentham school should be removed from closure list" just because it was recommended by a Elected BNP Cllr is the most Undemocratic situation at the Council at the moment.Ian Norrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00788563566369423598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7272174149265458740.post-64393019334782461412008-10-19T15:03:00.000+01:002008-10-19T15:03:00.000+01:00So Ian I take it that your colleague Councillor An...So Ian I take it that your colleague Councillor Anne James will have the strength to publicly rule out a BNP/Independent Alliance and ensure that Rigby is thrown out of your group for his courting of the BNP?<BR/><BR/>By the way Joy Garner confirmed this morning that there had been no approach from Rigby to her or anyone else in the Labour party.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7272174149265458740.post-49593223147808361172008-10-19T12:06:00.000+01:002008-10-19T12:06:00.000+01:00Tony: you could say you have no idea what most of ...Tony: you could say you have no idea what most of the 60 cllrs who could be leader stand for, so maybe you Should Vote NO and go for Elected Mayor so you know all about who plans to be leader.<BR/><BR/>I know he seconded the motion for SERCO review at full council, which Labour Cllrs voted against.<BR/><BR/>Hopefully if what Bob said these Labour Cllrs went against Labour Group so won't be nominated again to stand.<BR/><BR/>Those that votes against being Elected Mayor, Lord Mayor, Councillors B. Ali, Z. Ali, Barnes, J. Bell, Bowers, Brian, Clarke, M. Davis, Edwards, Garner, Gratton, Ibbs, Iqbal, Irving, Knapper, Lyth, Matloob, Najmi, Pervez, Powell-Becket, Reynolds, Shotton, Tolley and Wanger.<BR/><BR/>Frank: why dont you stand?<BR/><BR/>Bob: maybe Cllr Rigby doesnt want Cllr Garner on Cabinet? I said all groups not all leaders.Ian Norrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00788563566369423598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7272174149265458740.post-4181384861497088062008-10-18T23:25:00.000+01:002008-10-18T23:25:00.000+01:00Ian - My Labour party acquaintence has told me tha...Ian - My Labour party acquaintence has told me that Joy Garner has said that she has had no approach whatsoever from Alan Rigby. And given the animosity with which Mr. Ribgy split from the Conservatives it's hardly likely that he approched them for support. That leaves the Lib Dems, who I think would also be unlikely to support Rigby, Kent Baggaley and his Potteries Alliance who can just about fill a phone box, and the few assorted ragbags. So that really narrows it down doesn't it.<BR/><BR/>It your leader Anne James had any backbone she would publicly rule out any possibility of a BNP/Independent Alliance and ensure that Rigby is thrown out of your group for his unacceptable behaviour. However, I'm sure that her silence on this issue will be deafening.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7272174149265458740.post-29603608844653960772008-10-18T23:07:00.000+01:002008-10-18T23:07:00.000+01:00Ian Norris, I live in the Tunstall area and have v...Ian Norris, I live in the Tunstall area and have voted Independent a time or two.<BR/><BR/>But there is no way I will even consider voting Independent again whilst that convicted paedophile Lee Wanger is still here. I know you used to be an Independent councillor for Tunstall. If you are true to the the principle of Independents you will come back and stand against Mr. Wanger and help the people of Tunstall to finally be rid of him. And it is appalling if there are Independent councillors trying to make deals with the BNP.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7272174149265458740.post-30502597500394028442008-10-18T22:19:00.000+01:002008-10-18T22:19:00.000+01:00Ian and Bob,Just read your latest post and now i a...Ian and Bob,<BR/>Just read your latest post and now i am worried! So basically if Rigby gets his way then this city get the same old, same old? Meredith in a different skirt? So it's possible that Mr Rigby could be in charge of this city and still we the population of this city would still have no idea of what the mans stands for? OUTRAGEOUS!Tonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09477240165204150850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7272174149265458740.post-2310443229471241662008-10-18T20:55:00.000+01:002008-10-18T20:55:00.000+01:00Bob : I've had few birds fly in and explain what i...Bob : I've had few birds fly in and explain what is actually happening.<BR/><BR/>Alan Rigby has Spoke to ALL groups asking if he was Leader would they support him in forming a multi group cabinent, hardly the spin your trying to put on it.<BR/><BR/>Just as in 2001 the Independents appraoched all groups to fomr a Cabinent but Labour REFUSED, looks like Alan is just continuing trying to get THE BEST cabinet from those elected.Ian Norrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00788563566369423598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7272174149265458740.post-78990689382290261632008-10-18T10:15:00.000+01:002008-10-18T10:15:00.000+01:00Sorry Ian but it's no dirty trick by Labour, from ...Sorry Ian but it's no dirty trick by Labour, from what I understand it's the BNP themselves who have said that Independent Councillor Alan Rigby has approached them for support or offered some kind of deal.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7272174149265458740.post-88800489011441389032008-10-18T00:21:00.000+01:002008-10-18T00:21:00.000+01:00Nicky : I'm no x-tory and not sure many other City...Nicky : I'm no x-tory and not sure many other City Inpendents are X-labour maybe?<BR/><BR/>I stood as feed of attending committes where it was obvious Labour cllrs had not even opened reports yetr alone read or researched the informatiomIan Norrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00788563566369423598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7272174149265458740.post-47566370831333273442008-10-18T00:09:00.000+01:002008-10-18T00:09:00.000+01:00St george,I look at it a different way"or a BNP fa...St george,<BR/><BR/>I look at it a different way<BR/><BR/>"or a BNP fascist or a labour leftie or a libdem softie. If I like what they say I don't mind what they are I will just agree with them".<BR/><BR/>OK I was being slightly flippant with the fascist, leftie, softie labels, but I don't think it shows I've got no principles, I think it shows my principles are very much my own. I don't need to buy in to everything from any one party or attach myself wholly to any of them. I have my own views. I also think it shows less prejudice if I'll listen to what anyone has to say and decide for myself.<BR/><BR/>I can't see that a comment I make naming a whole bunch of parties can liken all the bloggers to the BNP. That issue had more to do with some rather unnecessary spat between schools. I'm on the periphery of that really as Trentham is my family's priority. However I am particularly supportive of Longton as I think they are currently getting the worst treatment in this reorgnisation and I do genuinely believe that every child matters, even if the government don't act on their own slogan.<BR/><BR/>I presume as you left the tories off my quote you are a tory and think I should be too. Well maybe I am at least in part. I tend to agree a lot with Shaun for example. I'm also aware that a fair number of city independents are ex-tories or current tory voters, that's fine by me. But if I do have tory tendencies, which I haven't really decided as yet, it won't stop me agreeing with other people if I want to.<BR/><BR/>Shaun, <BR/><BR/>Well I was ok with being the only one to support Alan Rigby, but nevertheless it is still good that there is more than just me.<BR/><BR/>Bob,<BR/><BR/>You're mellowing a bit my man, "developing a respect for the BNP".nickyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11175542518100987466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7272174149265458740.post-80265579554232309042008-10-17T23:56:00.000+01:002008-10-17T23:56:00.000+01:00Nita thats correct, and yes they are rumors and di...Nita thats correct, and yes they are rumors and dirty trick by labour. <BR/><BR/>there is one aliance for fatc as it exists already .<BR/><BR/>Labour will do as much spin as possible.<BR/><BR/>and brooneye read city constition or just ring legal depart why indy need to form group.Ian Norrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00788563566369423598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7272174149265458740.post-69441553688960107192008-10-17T23:20:00.000+01:002008-10-17T23:20:00.000+01:00The trouble is Nita that the council is so fragmen...The trouble is Nita that the council is so fragmented at the moment that no single party or group has a majority of the seats, hence the reason for alliances and coalitions. And with no less than seven different parties/groups on the council alongside defections it's hard to keep up.<BR/><BR/>Brooneyes, do tell more. The only coalition I can imagine is between the BNP and Independents as Albie Walker has already ruled out working with other groups due to them having paedophiles or animal abusers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7272174149265458740.post-73259531104653027242008-10-17T22:41:00.000+01:002008-10-17T22:41:00.000+01:00I was under the impression that Independent meant,...I was under the impression that Independent meant, not belonging to or having any view of any other political party. <BR/><BR/>Rumour is going round, that if the people vote for Leader and Cabinet, the Independents, and BNP group together, hence they could have a majority, then the Leader comes from this group. <BR/><BR/>How I see it is, it is policitally wrong for these two to join forces. BNP are BNP and Independent are Independent. <BR/><BR/>We want individual parties in the City, so the people can decide on individual policies. <BR/><BR/>Keep it that way!nitahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00834992101623704366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7272174149265458740.post-24671380788041033942008-10-17T22:40:00.000+01:002008-10-17T22:40:00.000+01:00That was an informative phone callI just received....That was an informative phone call<BR/>I just received. Apparently, the independents formed a group so they could claim their full moneys.<BR/> On the other hand, we have people like Jean Bowers who claim money for chairs and then don't attend the meetings. That is wasted money.<BR/> It also turns out that today, the hierachy of Stoke-on-Trent BNP were approached by a group from the council. They want to form a<BR/>formal coalition with us!!<BR/><BR/> Another LibDem has been brought to my attention, only this time it's the "Partygate " animal, Paul<BR/>Billington. Paul, you will remember, was caught at home with <BR/>three female council employees,<BR/>Sharon Dawson, Julie Seddon, and another scouser, Julie Gill, head of finance. Gill is now the only party girl left as the other two have been shuffled out of the picture. <BR/>Anyway, enough of slappers, let's get back to Mr Billington. Now it appears that Paul lost his chair when he got caught with his fingers in so many council pies, as it were! Jean Bowers took it before the seat was cold, along with any other paid positions she could grab. Paul was sad, and after a blazing row, left the LibDems for an hour! You will all be glad to know that he has since rejoined, but let's hope he didn't have to invite Jean round to his house to get his place back........<BR/><BR/>More for you as it comes to me...brooneyeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08858733156838423939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7272174149265458740.post-34114595605519108152008-10-17T22:35:00.000+01:002008-10-17T22:35:00.000+01:00Ian, I'll bow to your superior knowledge on that o...Ian, <BR/>I'll bow to your superior knowledge on that one matey, you tell me about the defectors!Tonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09477240165204150850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7272174149265458740.post-27162793296366891022008-10-17T22:34:00.000+01:002008-10-17T22:34:00.000+01:00Bob,100% with you, I don't agree with the politics...Bob,<BR/>100% with you, I don't agree with the politics of the BNP but admire people like Mike Coleman, Terry Cope and Craig because they stand up for what they believe in. I don't know Terry or Craig, but I've met Mike on loads of occasions and he's a really nice guy. It's just the uncertaitity you get with the independents. Another thing how can you possibly vote for someone but don't know what they stand for? It's underhand the way that they go about seeking election. As far as i'm concerned NO POLICIES, NO VOTES! As I said in the blog, Independents, my arse!Tonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09477240165204150850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7272174149265458740.post-5942786306771951762008-10-17T21:49:00.000+01:002008-10-17T21:49:00.000+01:00Well said Tony, we seem to be finding ourselves on...Well said Tony, we seem to be finding ourselves on the same wavelength about this one.<BR/><BR/>In a strange way I've come to develop a certain amount of respect for members of the BNP like Craig, at least they are up front and honest about who they are and what they stand for.<BR/><BR/>With an Independent you never know what you will end up with, and after your five minutes of fun making a protest at the polling station you are then stuck with them for 4 years.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7272174149265458740.post-45827921261530568802008-10-17T21:44:00.000+01:002008-10-17T21:44:00.000+01:00Tony: I thin you should rewatch QT what party was ...Tony: I thin you should rewatch QT what party was Cllr Rigby siding with he canvassed against BNP, and talked down Tory and Libdem for SIDING with Labour.<BR/><BR/>So REALLY it does not matter which party you vote for, you will still get the same libdem, Tory, Labour Alliance.. some of you appear to dislikeIan Norrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00788563566369423598noreply@blogger.com