tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7272174149265458740.post6351473333055480805..comments2023-06-01T10:59:07.627+01:00Comments on Pits'n'pots: THE MAINSTREAM PARTIES DO BATTLE!Tonyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09477240165204150850noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7272174149265458740.post-84792369705661673872008-11-18T23:49:00.000+00:002008-11-18T23:49:00.000+00:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7272174149265458740.post-79329088166016906992008-11-14T23:21:00.000+00:002008-11-14T23:21:00.000+00:00Thanks Terry, the answer to most of your questions...Thanks Terry, the answer to most of your questions is Yes, those are EXACTLY the areas of waste that I have in mind. Of course, I have not seen the full council budget and so it would not advance the debate in any meaningful way for me to lay out specific proposals. Blind promises are not a way to run an authority sensibly, as I'm sure you will understand.<BR/><BR/>As for party politics, I'm sure some councillors could well be accused of that but I do think that most go into it for honourable reasons. As I have said before, in reality, 90% of local government is non-political. There is not a specific Labour, Conservative or BNP way of collecting peoples dustbins. We need to ensure that the 10% of local government activity that IS dependent on party policies is decided for the right reasons, because it is in the interests of the city rather than for narrow ideological or party political reasons for their own sake. To my knowledge, I have not supported any policy that I know to be bad for the city for my party advantage.Shaun Bennetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10703794592249072540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7272174149265458740.post-30139259998123942292008-11-14T18:45:00.000+00:002008-11-14T18:45:00.000+00:00Thank you Shaun, although you didn't say what or w...Thank you Shaun, although you didn't say what or where you would make the savings specificaly, at least you answered.<BR/>Would you tackle the waste and would you end the culture of non-jobs, in favor of the council workforce (those that graft, not sit on their arses trying to justify their jobs)<BR/>Would you put an end to endless waste on metal (art?) monstocities appearing all over the city?<BR/>Would you use the local resorces to enrich the City, as other City councils have done?<BR/>Would you promote the skills this City holds to its fullest extent?<BR/>Would you put party politics before the City?terry turbohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05784175741266339217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7272174149265458740.post-74074547019741350622008-11-14T17:57:00.000+00:002008-11-14T17:57:00.000+00:00Personally, I would like to see the City council g...Personally, I would like to see the City council get its affairs in order (probably for the first time in over a decade) and take a good hard look at what it NEEDS to provide and what it CAN provide.<BR/><BR/>It seems to me that the council is often claiming that it can't provide key services properly-the terrible provision of social services and particularly child services over the last few years that was highlighted again and again in independent reports, to name just one. Whilst they are simultaneously providing all sorts of trivial and useless services that only a small minority either want or intend to take advantage of.<BR/><BR/>So we need to take a step back, look at what services are absolutely essential, and ensure that those are brought absolutely up to a top level as a matter of urgency.<BR/><BR/>Meanwhile, in the short term, perhaps some services that we would like to have in an ideal world but which are not essential would be cut back while we got our house into order. If we have a massive purge on waste at the same time then we can create a budget surplus to be re-invested in the essential areas.<BR/><BR/>In a few years, it may then be possible to either make small cuts to council tax, or to increase the budget of non-essential areas.<BR/><BR/>I believe that one of the problems we face in our local authority is an institutionalised culture of 'big government' and greed. Council officers seem to follow the classic civil service line that a council budget should NEVER fall and indeed that one of the measures of success is an ever expanding sphere of influence, an ever increasing budget and ever greater power for the council and its departments.<BR/><BR/>We need to begin by taking on that culture, start to cut back on what the council provides and then build up from scratch. Only then will the non-essential but nevertheless ideal services start to fall into place. Its a very big job, and it will take many years to complete-as a result of the chaos we have created for ourselves. However, if we only limit ourselves to tinkering around the edges of the council budget, we will not even begin the process of reform and we will not be much further forward decades down the line.<BR/><BR/>The question is whether the politicians we elect have the guts or the stamina to begin that long hard process?Shaun Bennetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10703794592249072540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7272174149265458740.post-31654830302203815492008-11-14T14:20:00.000+00:002008-11-14T14:20:00.000+00:00As expected, not one reply from the other party's,...As expected, not one reply from the other party's, just a post to slag off the BNP.<BR/>Tony, you constantly ask what the BNP will bring the Ciy, and when we tell you, and ask the other parties what they will bring to the table, there is a deafening silence.<BR/>You claim to be impartial Tony,and want the views of all party's, but you keep baiting only one party, a bit hypocritical don't you think?terry turbohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05784175741266339217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7272174149265458740.post-80473196035304965772008-11-13T17:12:00.000+00:002008-11-13T17:12:00.000+00:00So come on you Lab,Lib,Con,Ind, what are you going...So come on you Lab,Lib,Con,Ind, what are you going to do to make this City better, and I don't mean National policies, but local solutions.<BR/>Instead of sniping at the BNP,lets hear what you will do, or are doing.<BR/>You seem only to be able to play the race card, when devoid of any idea's,on any subject we raise.terry turbohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05784175741266339217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7272174149265458740.post-84526556754096931982008-11-13T12:22:00.000+00:002008-11-13T12:22:00.000+00:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7272174149265458740.post-43176886882395418802008-11-13T01:02:00.000+00:002008-11-13T01:02:00.000+00:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7272174149265458740.post-82416826274073963562008-11-12T23:06:00.000+00:002008-11-12T23:06:00.000+00:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7272174149265458740.post-32749560727802505212008-11-12T22:51:00.000+00:002008-11-12T22:51:00.000+00:00No Terry, I put it to you that the fact I added a ...No Terry, I put it to you that the fact I added a comedic element to this particular thread to draw the debate out and it has worked. When talking about the BNP it always comes down to race but my reverse logic has actually got people talking about other BNP policies! Instead of having a go at me, you ought to thank me!Tonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09477240165204150850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7272174149265458740.post-15564381747750324422008-11-12T21:46:00.000+00:002008-11-12T21:46:00.000+00:00Original anonymous. Where has it been proved the ...Original anonymous.<BR/><BR/> Where has it been proved the bio-fuels policy is a non-starter?<BR/> You saying so isn't proof!brooneyeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08858733156838423939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7272174149265458740.post-75099650604192955352008-11-12T20:12:00.000+00:002008-11-12T20:12:00.000+00:00I very much doubt the Government or EU would help ...I very much doubt the Government or EU would help fund a political regime that's White Ethnocentric and Euro-phobic but carry on with your whimsical dreams Terry!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7272174149265458740.post-42684906823415737372008-11-12T20:07:00.000+00:002008-11-12T20:07:00.000+00:00Terry, thanks for clearing that up, that's all I a...Terry, thanks for clearing that up, that's all I asked.<BR/>You would essentially be more frugal and cost effective.<BR/>Although the bio-fuels "initiative" has been proven to be a non starter due to all and sundry wishing to do this. There is only so much used oil around.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7272174149265458740.post-61226677875203789132008-11-12T19:57:00.000+00:002008-11-12T19:57:00.000+00:00I would start with the £25k chaufering services,mi...I would start with the £25k chaufering services,milk and bread £390k, fresh fruit and veg £135k, translation & interpretation services £40k,and groceries and dry goods, £900k, carpets curtains and blinds £175k.<BR/>Also the social services budget accounts revised to see what cuts could be made.<BR/>The bio-fuel policy would cut this city's fuel bill in half, and the recycling scheme attached to the bio-fuel policy would bring economic benefits to the city, (which would be funded by the Government and the EU).terry turbohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05784175741266339217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7272174149265458740.post-62500509176963954922008-11-12T19:12:00.000+00:002008-11-12T19:12:00.000+00:00Yes Terry, I agree but you still haven't made it c...Yes Terry, I agree but you still haven't made it clear how you are going to cut council tax while keeping current council services at the same level AND implement your plans.<BR/>Any political party in power would have to INCREASE council tax just to keep services at the same level!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7272174149265458740.post-52527429295134089682008-11-12T18:13:00.000+00:002008-11-12T18:13:00.000+00:00See what I mean Tony, policies that have nothing w...See what I mean Tony, policies that have nothing whatsoever to do with race, and all we get is the race issue.<BR/>Well done Tony you have managed to turn this debate into a farce.terry turbohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05784175741266339217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7272174149265458740.post-37321926190257470172008-11-12T17:33:00.000+00:002008-11-12T17:33:00.000+00:00And exactly how much oil would that be George? For...And exactly how much oil would that be George? <BR/>For some bizarre reason, the council have allowed Biffa to collect waste oil in the city, and charge for doing so. No-one on the council knows where it goes though.<BR/><BR/> The problem with money being sent out as it is, is that it ends up in the hands of some foreign butcher who nicks it all and lives in exile at the British taxpayers expense! At least this way some of the money would be spread about amongst those who wouldn't otherwise get a look in.<BR/>As for the pensioners, our other environmental policy proposal is for a bio-gas plant and sewage<BR/>works combined that would produce <BR/>23,000Mw/hrs of power. Of course, you haven't been told about that either, even though it was passed to this crappy council along with our other one.<BR/>As for the rest of what you say, well, you know it's good for growing potatoes in!!brooneyeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08858733156838423939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7272174149265458740.post-10548467436817599232008-11-12T17:09:00.000+00:002008-11-12T17:09:00.000+00:00Warren,I agree dude. It is obvious that religion i...Warren,<BR/>I agree dude. It is obvious that religion is the cause of the majority of worlds conflicts. I would like to protect "our" religion and at this moment in time I don't lnow of another way apart from teaching it in school.Tonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09477240165204150850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7272174149265458740.post-39696472239818417942008-11-12T17:06:00.000+00:002008-11-12T17:06:00.000+00:00Optimist,A couple of years ago, the BNP were insis...Optimist,<BR/>A couple of years ago, the BNP were insisting their supporters did not use ethnic takeaways !<BR/><BR/>They forget that potatoes are South American and only came to Britain during Elizabeth 1's reign. Battered fish was from Portugal....British ???<BR/><BR/>Mow lawns, walk dogs and make hot lunches !!<BR/><BR/>I thought they were elected to make our services work - not do the work themselves ??<BR/><BR/>av.10,000 voters per ward - can they cope with doing all these gardens and lunches for free ??<BR/><BR/><BR/>"and what money is left he gives away to foreigners, with £825 million to India, £480 million to Pakistan, and £7.5 billion to Africa over the next ten years."<BR/><BR/>Craig,<BR/>you know the BNP policy is to still send this money abroad to help the third world. <BR/>Its just that your policy states that the money would be used to send none British heritage peoples back to their original countries with some start up money...<BR/><BR/>So, it would not be used by the BNP to warm up elderly people...<BR/><BR/>"We submitted a policy proposal to this council about running the council fleet vehicles on recycled veggie oil."<BR/> <BR/>Craig,<BR/>Not likely to be practical. All and sundry wish to do this, as its the only real true 'green' bio-fuel. There is only so much used oil around.<BR/><BR/>Lib-Dems and the BNP. <BR/>They have one thing in common - nationally, they are unlikely ever to be in power to actually do what they suggest...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7272174149265458740.post-49955207824359479782008-11-12T16:47:00.000+00:002008-11-12T16:47:00.000+00:00If you were in my shoes, you would be one of the b...If you were in my shoes, you would be one of the brightest and most intelligent people the Labour Party are lucky to have.Ask Professor Hawking!I have to tone it down a little but have enjoyed and excelled myself this week. You'll see.<BR/>I am a scientist, an economist, policy maker and downright genius.It's hard living in Stoke and talking about racism all the time. Forgive me if you don't understand me,98% of the Country are in the same boat.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7272174149265458740.post-15397552787731397992008-11-12T16:39:00.000+00:002008-11-12T16:39:00.000+00:00Was that a cryptic question for a crossword, Gary?...Was that a cryptic question for a crossword, Gary?<BR/>You would be ideal as The Riddler in the next Batman movie!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7272174149265458740.post-62842516341717190552008-11-12T10:28:00.000+00:002008-11-12T10:28:00.000+00:00Liberals will reduce my tax but tax me a green tax...Liberals will reduce my tax but tax me a green tax. Typically Liberal.<BR/>Liberals will local tax me.Who else will be local taxed? Everyone in a new poll tax?<BR/>Tories will give me a VAT holiday for X Months. And then what?<BR/>The BNP have no policies for economics other than tell us how great they'll be when all blacks are deported.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7272174149265458740.post-674307191842397952008-11-12T10:22:00.000+00:002008-11-12T10:22:00.000+00:00Nice one Tonny, still weting myself over the BNP p...Nice one Tonny, still weting myself over the BNP policies in a nutshell, thay a bang on ofcourse.<BR/> One thing I must say, and its about the teaching of christianity, or indeed any religen in schools, non of it sould be tourte in school, that sould be left to the perents or indeed the perents church, or other place of worship, its only storys anyway. If I had a child of school age the first thing I would do is withdraw them from them kind of lessons. Its only enforceing what good and bad and I can do that anyway.warrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12533934690660589601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7272174149265458740.post-68566383796820037822008-11-12T10:04:00.000+00:002008-11-12T10:04:00.000+00:00The BNP have no other policies above and beyond de...The BNP have no other policies above and beyond deporting all undesirables and vastly increasing gun crime with the introduction of the citizen's assault rifle.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7272174149265458740.post-24613134823990631252008-11-12T09:15:00.000+00:002008-11-12T09:15:00.000+00:00Terry, so your going to cut council tax now, how a...Terry, so your going to cut council tax now, how are going to afford all the aforementioned policies.<BR/>Thank You for confirming to me and everyone else that the BNP just shout out what they think is popular even if it contradicts earlier populist policies!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com