Thursday, 6 November 2008

PITSNPOTS - A TURNING POINT!

We here at pitsnpots are at a turning point! Over the last two day's we have received a few complaints about some of the posting on this site.

We know this blog is being monitored by many people in all walks of life, we know politicians and councillors and officials read and some time contribute to the site.

This blog as taken off beyond our wildest dreams, it has achieved what we set out do do. We have brought the party debate back to our city.

We have forged great relationships with the likes of Focal Radio, The Sentinel & most important of all, with the regulars posters on this site.

It is with some regret that we have decided to remove anonymous posts that are insulting, personal, racist, and not relevant to the debate. All the blog administrators have discussed and agreed to do this. Some offensive posts have been removed already and if you think that some of the other ones or any that are posted in the future need removing, please EMAIL the site at pitsnpots@gmail.com with your concerns.

Maybe some will accused me of being idealistic but, I never wanted to intended this blog to be used as a platform to insult or intimidate anyone.

We accept anonymous posting because it allows people in public life or those who's positions maybe compromised, to contribute to our debates. We don't want to remove this facility, so anything that is posted anonymously that is not relative to the thread or is unsuitable in anyway will be removed!

We want to retain good natured banter and the light hearted piss taking and I ask all posters to enjoy the debate, take part in the site fully, but please, for me stay away from personal or insulting attacks.

I want to see this blog grow and grow into something huge and something our city can be proud of. I want to show everyone that us Stokies can debate and express and articulate ourselves in the right manner.

I ask for your help and compliance on this on guy's................

54 comments:

brooneyes said...

It's about bloody time! If it had been about bloggers or your families, it would have been taken down straight away. Don't let them post if it's anonymous. If our councillors don't have the spine to stand up and say what they need to, then they shouldn't be doing the job! As for the cowardly sphincters that can only make comments under the cover of anonymity, ban 'em!! Just make sure and pass me the IP address of the colon that's been harrassing me in such a brave manner! If he likes things up his back passage, I'll shove his bloody keyboard up there! That'll stop him posting.

Tony said...

Craig,
You have been badly provoked, no question, but threats are not acceptable either. We will take off any comment that is personal or abusive and threatening!

Gary Elsby said...

Craig, you have to admit that wanting to break someones jaw was over the top. I saw the abuse being aimed at you and Terry and thought it childish and doing nothing. I hope that the blogging team take down those insults and let's move on.
I have seen this practice over many years of blogging (13) and the tactic is newish to them and boring (sometimes funny) to me.
They norally go away quite quickly,but in my view that person(s) was a skilled operator and I thought they'd trip up. sadly, they didn't. Don't fall into the trap of over reaction and I hope that the blogging team are not misled into a pretend court action that will definitely fail.

nita said...

It is a shame that a certain few have had to come on here, and resort to personal attacks on individuals, and some uncalled for racial comments. How do they do this, Anonymously of course.

As Tony states, we have all had a serious chat about this, and we have decided that we simply cannot allow some comments to remain on here.

So, as Gary says, lets move on, and now we know where we stand, lets get back to some civil debating.

warren said...

Thank you very much, now we can get on with what we are hear for. Keep the fools away and this could be a very powerfull site indeed.

st george said...

Tony
a start would have been to say " P taking" or "p*** Taking". Or even extracting the urine.

But I have said before, if some posts go un checked, the site owners would just close the whole site.

brooneyes said...

I've been taking cr*p from every spineless monkey that posts on here, for weeks Gary, so no, I don't think chinning some chicken is over the top. I must be mellowing in my old age.......?

Shaun Bennett said...

I agree, there is no need for some of the comments that some people have made. If its offensive, insulting or threatening then it SHOULD be taken off-and not only anonymous posts. There need to be rules and boundaries to freedom of speech or where will it end.

I'm a little concerned about those posters who pose as activists for particular parties and who comment specifically with the aim of undermining that party too. I am convinced that one or two of the people that pose as BNP supporters on this site are actually activists for other parties, and I'm they're not the only ones.

brooneyes said...

That kind of blatantly obvious behaviour Shaun is something we have become used to seeing and very good at spotting. Don't think this is just a BNP phenomena though, there will be retards posting as Tories, independents too.

nicky said...

Tony,

As you've decided to go down that route, there are two things I'd like to say.

Firstly, as I said before, it would make sense to remove that statement on the header of the site which says no post will be removed. I just don't like having it there as it is a lie.

Secondly, am I then allowed to ask for two posts directed at me, that I thought were too personal, to be removed? Trouble is though, they were not anonymous. Both gave their names and I think they were true names, although they didn't have blogger accounts. I figured it was well worth tolerating these comments because I liked the idea of an uncensored site (I still have terrible trouble with sentinel site, even when I reckon I'm not saying anything very bad).
Also I really liked the comments in my defence that ensued, one from you and one from Craig. Plus I figured well, I say what I like so others do too. But if we're getting selective about it then it has to be fair.

Martin said...

CRaig, you've been provoked but that doesn't excuse your reaction. Passing you the IP address probably won't help you find them and it's more than likely it's IP addresses as I keep trying to tell you and Terry it's a group of people rather than one individual.

brooneyes said...

Martin, two things.

1) A computer terminal CAN be traced from its IP address.

2) If I was being serious, I wouldn't be publicly asking Tony to break the law! Chill out.

Tony said...

Nicky,
The only posts that will be removed is where someone is hiding behind the anonymous identity option to personally attack an individual. Anon posts ought to be used for comment on the debate, if it is used for anything else we may remove it, especially if it is insulting, threatening, or personal. I happen to think that this site is quite moderate, if you look at Guido Fawkes you will see what i mean. I also don't think that a blog site can be sued ( if they could guido would have been by now!) The issue is I don't want the site to be used as a platform to attack any individual. Attack them for their beliefs or their policies but not them personally apart from in a light hearted banter type way.

Frank Fuller said...

Tony what about, for example, Lee Wanger who is a convicted paedophile. I think it's fair for people to make reference to this without their posts being removed as it's perfectly reasonable for them to comment on this individual being unfit to hold public office.

brooneyes said...

Here here Frank.

warren said...

It a point Tony, can we still call Wanger a peadophile becouse well..he is. How about Nicky and myself ripping into Dogger Fibbs, you are not going to put an end to that are you, its the only bit of fun I get. What about the blasting Mayday Meredith gets, if hes reading this, he must feel like shit,and what about Longton Train Station, it stinks of pee.

brooneyes said...
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warren said...

Dirty buggers are all the same to me Crage.

Tony said...

You may note, we have never removed any comments about Mr Wanger. The man has been convicted of a crime. Mr Ibbs has been criticised on this blog, but never in a nasty personal way

Lee Wagner said...

Look, call me what you will but I have NEVER molested any children EVER!
So I am NOT a paedophile!

David Perry said...

Nice to see CRaig Pond being a hypocrite as ever. First he cries free speech and now he's congratulating the site for removing supposedly offensive posts. Irony is, his were probably the most offensive especially when he keeps making threats of physical violence against people. To be honest the fake T Copes and the BNP fetish club were about the most interesting things on here. I would say that the notorious James, Penkhull is noticeable by his absence on the site but I would also say he was only active on The Sentinel site for about two weeks. So why was he so notorious?

brooneyes said...

David Perry, you're an idiot. How do you expect people to take you seriosly when you talk such rot? If the kind of crud that was being posted is all that holds your interest, feel free to bugger off.

The Original Anonymous said...

As if on queue, Craig pops in with a diatribe to prove David Perry absolutely right!

David Perry said...

Of course you're being a hypocrite Craig. You're happy to complain when people are insulting you and your mates but happy to insult and threaten other people. It's not hard from that to work out that you are indeed a hypocrite. So why don't you feel free to bugger off!! And before you reply about me being tough behind a keyboard look at yourself first, because any comment like that will also prove what a hypocrite you really are given some of the comments you've been posting.

The Original Fake T Cope said...

Craig's upset again because he didn't see any action on Wednesday night.

David Perry said...

I would also add that pitsnpots are a bunch of hypocrites as well. It's already been said but if you're going to try block anonymous insulting comments then you need to consider banning Mr Pond as well, otherwise it's doublestandardsville. There is a view that has been expressed on here that this a BNP apologist site which may be backed up by removing the fetish comments about them but not taking action against Mr Pond's threats of violence.

brooneyes said...
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Tony said...

David,
We have never said we would remove anonymous posting. We have said that any anonymous post that was either personal, insultive or threatening would be removed as it will for any other posting of thst type. Craig's threatening post was also removed. Lee Wangers post (if indeed it is him) is also right he was placed on the child sex offence registar and not found guilty of molesting children! As for being BNP apologists i am as far away from being a BNP sympathiser than you could possibly get. I do believe however that as the BNP have 9 elected councillors they have every right to express their views something that Mr Pond does admirably ( I happen to thing that the majority of people reading his posts will be put off the BNP forever). WE will continue to monitor the site and to travel the path we have chosen. I hope you continue to visit our blog and contribute, if you don't well, that's your choice.

Tony said...

Now,
We will leave Craig's last post on as it does not threaten an individual but if it had been theatening to a person it would have been removed.
Craig post above about throwing Mr Wanger in gaol has been removed because it accused Mr Wanger of something he was not convicted of!
So, it's easy if we all just follow the same path, stay away from insults and sitck to the debates and please do carry onthe light hearted banter, suh as Warren displays.
Thank You

Anonymous said...

Tony, I suggest you read Craig's last post again as he clearly IS making threats of physical violence towards David Perry so I would have agree that the hosts of this site are being hypocritical.

brooneyes said...

Anonymous, you are mistaken or a liar. If I'm going to say something, be it a comment or a threat, I will make it perfectly clear! I did not threaten David Perry. Learn to read.

nita said...

Brooneyes, it could be read as a threat to David Perry. Comment has now been removed.

Now can we all just get back to debating in the proper manner.

brooneyes said...

Tony, you have every right to voice your opinion, even if it criticises the BNP. You must remember however that you were/are a Labour voter, and that shows a remarkable lack of judgement on your part, so I don't think too many people will be influenced by the negativity of your view. Still, if I was Labour, I'd be trying every mega desperate move to try and deflect all the bad feeling emanating from the electorate toward the party!

brooneyes said...

What the bloody hell is all this?!
Nita, if I make a threat it will be clear and distinct. This wasn't supposed to be a reason for persecuting those you disagree with!

nita said...

Move on Craig, we can't let these people who are trying everything to get us to shut the site down win.

They come on Anonymously, make comments, that have to be removed, we know what they are upto, but if it takes us all day, we will just delete, delete, delete.

We have made it clear, what will be allowed and what won't.

Stick with it Craig.

Not A Fake Terry Cope said...

You were clear Craig, it was a threat against David Perry, and now the comment has been removed. Nita, no-one is trying to get this site closed down but I do think some people are highlighting an issue of double standards towards what is decent and what isn't.

Anonymous said...

Has anyone thought that people post on here anonymously because they're a little worried that Craig Pond interprets free speech as beating people up that disagree with him? Judging by some of his comments it looks the case. I'm doing so for just that reason and as far as I can see I'm not offending anyone.

brooneyes said...

Anonymous.
The ONLY reason people make anonymous posts on here is because they are spineless sh*t stirrers! There is no other reason for anonymity.

nita said...

Not a fake Terry Cope. I totally take on board what you say. I can reassure you, that the team of bloggers will remove anything that is seen to be personal or threatening. We do feel that some are coming on Anonymously, purposely to create offence, and trying to get the site into trouble. That is something that we just have to deal with.

Anonymous 15.23. Sorry to hear that you feel you can only post anonymously, for the reasons you give. This is one of the reasons for the Anonymous option.

Martin said...

Anonymous, I agree, and then Criag Pond comes on and wholly backs your argument up.

Frank Fuller said...

Well Lee Wanger (if it is you) you were convicted by a court of subscribing to a child porn website and put on the sex offenders register for 5 years which in my view makes you a paedophile.

I don't know what lies you told to get elected last time but I hope at the next elections there is a massive effort from the Tunstall community to finally get you out for good. You have overstayed your welcome in Tunstall!

brooneyes said...

Martin.
What are you and anonymous, a couple of girls? Sticks and stones... remember?

Tony said...

Craig,
If I was a Labour supporter I would'nt have left the party now would I? This site is for opinion I give mine you give years other people make up their mind who is right in their opinion. I endorse a multi cultural city you would have everyone with a different skin colour on the first plane to god knows where. I just bumped into an Asian friend and her husband in Tesco, you would have walked past them with your nose in the air. I maybe not a labour supporte anymore but i am a million miles from the BNP than god!

Tony said...

sorry i meant "you give yours"

brooneyes said...

OOOOOhhh, Tony's got his period!
We don't want to get rid of all
foreigners Tony, but we need to get it down to a manageable size.
I wouldn't have walked past your friends in an insulting manner!
Seems to me the only bigot round here rhymes with pony..........

Anonymous said...

Craig, you're still upholding people's cases against you. Keep it up.

Fluffy said...

12:42 061108 Brooneyes: "It's about bloody time! If it had been about bloggers or your families, it would have been taken down straight away..."

19:44 081108 Brooneyes: "Martin. What are you and anonymous, a couple of girls? Sticks and stones... remember?"

Does anyone else spot the irony and hypocrisy? So he wants posts that are offensive to him and his removed but thinks it's OK when to offend it's the other way round. Yep, that's definitely hypocrisy and it's printed here in black and white for all to see.

Then look at the response to David Perry's comments and it's clear that when someone puts up a very solid argument he has to resort to childish mudslinging, something he again he feels free to acuse his opponents of doing.

He can't appreciate the irony and always seems to have to resort to theats of violence. Know what they say, he talks a good fight normally only talks about it.

Steve C said...

Craig,can you please make it clear which foreigners you would get rid of and which you'd keep,I'm intrigued.As for Tony being a bigot ,you couldn't be more wrong,he's probably the most open minded bloke I know.So get off his back and get on with what you actually do quite well,commenting on the important things going on in this city.The rest of you ,stop trying to score petty points off one another and lets get back to what this site was set up for.

Anonymous said...

Craig still hasn't grasped that all the gay comments about BNP members were posted by many people, not just one. Is he going to take a load of people on? And you know what they say about threatening or starting on complete strangers. You just never know what they do or what they're capable of. But everyone knows who Craig is. Marvellous.

T Cope said...
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brooneyes said...

It's like a proctologists waiting room in here, chock full of
ar*sholes.

Another Fake T Cope said...

Well Craig, if you don't like it, you know where you can go. I dare say if it was put to a vote as to whether people wanted you on here you'd be overwhelmingly voted out. Truth hurts.

brooneyes said...

Another fake t.cope.
I'm going nowhere, and the only reason I'd be voted out of here is because of the artificially high number of lefty tossers! Still, seeing as there isn't a vote, you won't be getting rid of me. You could try outdeating me, but you'd stand a better chance of getting me voted out, you sad loser.

Joseph Stalin said...

Another fake T Cope, what a cry baby you are, has the nasty Craig hurt your feelings.
Why don't you grow a pair!