Saturday, 4 October 2008

BNP A Credible Alternative?




In a letter today published in the Sentinel Mr John Lowe urges us to ignore the BNP at our peril. This comes after Tory leader David Cameron made comments on the far right parties success in our city.

I don't think anyone is ignoring the BNP, but comments have been made in the media that there was probably only 80 or so local party activists among the 400 who turned up at the BNP rally that was held to publicise the Keith Brown case. When researching this rally and listening to the interviews, it was clear, that local and national party leaders were using this case, to promote their brand of politics. This was done, with the knowledge and support of Mr Brown's partner. When viewing the video footage of the rally, (which you can do on U-tube), there was little done, to dispel the myth, that the party attracts skin heads, and their like. It would only be right to point out, that no BNP Activist caused any trouble, and thousands of leaflets were distributed, leaving us in no doubt, of the BNP's feelings about the judgement in the Brown case.

There is a strong rumour that is doing the rounds on the Internet, that if the City choose the Mayoral system of governance, that the BNP would put up Nick Griffin (Leader) or Simon Darby (Deputy Leader) as their candidate. There is no doubt in my mind, that if Stoke on Trent, is run by the BNP, it would prevent blue chip company's from investing in the City, which would stop much needed jobs coming to the area. We also have to look, whether the City would be looked on favourably when bidding for grant money, from either the Government or the EU.
We must also consider, the implications for our multi- cultural City. The BNP say, that Stoke, is their 'jewel in the crown', but at what cost to racial harmony? I believe that the majority of Stoke people, enjoy living in a truly multi cultural City. Yes, there is much needed work to be done, to achieve full integration, of the likes seen in Birmingham, Leicester and London, but this can be achieved. Surely, people realise that the countries problems with immigration cannot be sorted out here in Stoke on Trent. Many people I have spoken to believe that, the BNP prosper due to the lack of protest vote. If you are disillusioned with the Tories or Labour, there is no middle ground to turn to, because apart from Gavin Webb, there is no Lib Dem presence in this City. The Lib Dem's really need to sort themselves out, to give disaffected voters a more mainstream alternative, so that there is no need to turn to the far right.

The BNP are attracting votes, it cannot be denied, but why? Do people really know in depth what this party stands for? Maybe they do? Is the calibre of the representatives of the current mainstream parties preventing people ticking their boxes? We at Pits n Pots want to know why people are voting BNP, and not the mainstream parties? Activists like Craig Pond are taking the time to use this blog to explain what makes his party tick, likewise, Gary Elsby a well known Labour Supporter, is doing the same. We need people from all sides of the political spectrum, to come onto this blog, and give their views. Remember this blog was set up, so that local people could get information and enter into debate, and I feel it is a great shame that none of the Councillors have chosen to do this, even though they could do so anonymously. We live in hope. This is the only platform, that operates 24-7, where you can air your views without fear, and if you have got something to say, this is the place to say it. Over to you...................................

To read Mr Lowe's letter click the link:

http://www.thisisstaffordshire.co.uk/letters/Parties-ignore-BNP-peril/article-374773-detail/article.html

84 comments:

Anonymous said...

I agree with some of what John Lowe said. The BNP are thriving because of a lack of credible alternative. I also think there are too many people in this city who are expecting the Council and politicians in general to fix all their problems for them.

Old-style Labour used to act in this sort of way. However, nationally, those sort of politics became unelectable. Thatcherism made overt self-interest acceptable and an "I'm alright Jack" culture has since prevailed. Therefore Labour moved to centre/right in order to become electable under these conditions. By doing so they're seen as having abandoned their working class roots in favour of appeasing the middle-classes.

This is where the BNP have capitalised. They've moved into areas where the population is overwhelmingly working class, and where traditional industries in those areas have disappeared. Hence the growth in support in places like Stoke-on-Trent and the old textile areas of S.Lancashire and W. Yorkshire. The only area to seriously buck this trend is the North East, for reasons unknown - the BNP have targetted Sunderland for years and never made any headway.

Until a serious credible alternative appears locally then we're likely to see the BNP rise and rise in the city. Although the Tories have become resurgent nationally they are traditionally despised in the area and aren't getting a look in.

However, this success is unlikely to be repeated nationally. As has already been mentioned in response to John Lowe's letter BNP policies regarding repatriating Blacks and Asians born and bred in the UK are known to put a majority of voters off the BNP. Then there's also this matter of a Tory revival under Cameron.

Anonymous said...

The BNP have made ground in Stoke-on-Trent, due to hard work, and listening to the people.
Immigration, appeasement to minorities, political correctness, and the total desertion of the indigionious population have all sealed the coffins of Labour, Conservatives,and the useless Lib Dems.
Corruption, greed, and self serving politicians from all three political party's have added to their demise.
As a law abiding, family man who like most people wants his heretage, history, and culture put first in his own country.
I have no wish to harm or see harm done to another human being, but I am castigated as a "knuckle dragging, racist, Nazi thug.
I am not part of a party that goes around killing and maiming people, but those that are, are allowed to protest on our streets (calling for the Christian and Jewish peoples death) with impunity.
If I was to stand on a street and decry these people I would immediatley have the full force of the law thrown at me.
Inequality has lead to dissention, not the BNP.
As for "if the BNP gain in the Mayoral Elections" Stoke will become a ghost town with buisness's deserting us, we have nine councillors, has this made any differance NO.
As for BNP policies, well we know certain people will always put their own spin on these, and no matter what you say, you will not convince them.
T COPE.

Tony said...

Terry, I did not say that businesses would desert the city, I questioned whether companies would be put off investing in Stoke if the city was run by the BNP. It's a fair question to ask isn't it? It is an emotional debate, emotional for you because you are passionate to get your points across and you feel that you are pre judged and stereotyped and emotional for people like me as I embrace a multicultural society but see that there are problems both locally and nationally with immigration and integration. You took your time to find us and we are keen to have the debate, we could do with more input from supporters of the mainstream parties. Iwould like to ask you what a city run by your party would be like to live in? Who would have something to fear? Apart from the ethnic issue what would the BNP bring to the table?

Anonymous said...

I know it's been said time and time again but it's not only the BNP's mentioning of repatriation of British born and bred black and asian people but their intention for those same people of a second class citizenship in the guise of a permanent guest status.
Come on Craig, that's what people find abhorrent about the BNP.
Are the BNP stuck in some type of 1800's time warp in regards to race.

Anonymous said...

That's the big sticking point with the BNP, their issue of repatriation. Take that out of their policies and more people would be able to stomach them. Having said that, if they did I doubt anyone would believe them as this is the policy the party was founded on. Besides, a Mugabe-style policy like that would just lead to the UK becoming an international pariah.
One of the other cornerstone policies is quite intriguing - the citizen's assault rifle. This is a recipe for anarchy. Given the growing problem with gun and knife crime doesn't the party think that several thousand assault rifles on the street is just going to make the problem worse? Unless we double the police, arm them, and put troops on the streets? Never going to happen is it?

Anonymous said...

The BNP have already started to put our vision of the future of Stoke-on-Trent.
We have put forward a Bio-Fuel policy to the Council, which if implimented will save the tax-payers thousands of pounds.
We also are in the final stages of a policy for a city wide ban on alcohol drinking in public, which will also be put before the council for implementation.
We are formulating our plan for first time buyers starter homes, to give our youngsters a chance to get on the ladder.
As for anyone being afraid, I have no animosity to anyone who wants to build a better future for all our children, with our culture, and history, and not impose their beliefs on our society.
We are a tolerant society, but some parts of the community are not, but tolerance can only be taken so far.
I will object when my culture, religion, and history are suppressed, in order to appease militant radicals, and hate mongers.
I also believe that no matter what colour, race, or creed, if you are working and paying into the system, I don,t care.
The benefits system (at the moment) pays people more to sit on their backsides, than work, and contribute to the system, I don't blame the people for claiming them, its our politicians that are at fault for allowing it.
The scare mongering about sending people back against their will, is pure rubbish, and something I would fight against.
I believe that if, with this recession, and immigration levels rising daily, it is creating a frightning scenario, and if I can see it why can't our "so called leaders" surely nobody can be that blind to the end result, when human nature takes over, ie greed, suspicion, and hatred of our neighbours because "they have, and we wan't" syndrome starts.
Finaly, if you are a immigrant in any other country in the world,you have guest status, and can be deported for breaches in their laws,so why can't we have the same?
T COPE.

Nigel said...

Mr Cope, it's all well and good talking about bio-fuels and affordable homes but if you have no ACTUAL plan or financial package to implement it then it's just hot air and an attempt at populism.
These sort of policies are on a national scale and are for governing parties not for a party who has 8 out of 60 councillors in a parochial town. I beginning to think that the BNP membership have some kind of delusion of grandeur when in fact they have a grand total of 56 councillors out of 8000 nationally and NO MP's.

Nigel said...

Mr Cope, in regards to your last sentence, the problem people have with regards to a "permanent guest status" is that it's NOT reserved for just immigrants but British BORN black and asian people, many who are now second, third or even fourth generation.
How anyone can possibly justify such a standpoint is beyond me and to be honest is quite weird and strange.

Anonymous said...

Nigel, I was asked by Tony, what would the BNP bring to the table.
Well the Bio-Fuel policy as been worked out to suit the local people and enviroment, if we had to wait for central Government we would never get it, or are you against saving our tax-payers money?
You say we have visions of grandeur, well if trying to better our enviroment is this, then I plead guilty.
The anti-alchohol policy, aims to reduce anti-social behaviour, are you against this as well.
We have 9 councillors not 8, quite what that has to do with putting policies in front of the Council, I cannot think,or are you saying (like the useless "Elected Mayor" Meredith) that we should not have a say?
We have National policies, but these policies were reserched, and put forward for local use.
As for "permanent guest status" if they are law abiding, and working for the good of all, whats the problem?
We took in hyjackers,drug lords, yardies, and militant extremists, these are the only ones who should be concerned.
T COPE.

Anonymous said...

Nigel, in some cases it's several generations more than that. There's been blacks and Asians in this coountry since the time of the Empire. People didn't just go out to these colonies, some of the "natives" came here as well. Look up Walter Tull and others like him. Given what T.Cope has said about not caring about race/colour I would then question either his honesty on this stance or his naivety in being involved with the BNP. This is a party that openly wants to remove people because of race and religion (try removing Anglo-Saxon muslim converts), regardless of contribution and length of ties to this country. If he genuinely believes that race doesn't matter wouldn't he better off with the Tories or UKIP. These two seriously want to curb new immigration whilst not campaigning to remove people born and bred in this country. Mr Cope, immigrants in other contries have more or less the same rights there as they do here. In almost every developed country people can apply for citizenship after having lived there for 5 years. Likewise immigrants can and do get removed from this country in the same way. There is also a system in place for stripping first generation citizens of their citizenship. Anyone who is born and bred in this country is NOT an immigrant, get it? I suggest you research into the immigration laws and status around the world before making bold, sweeping, and factually incorrect statements. Is it me or has John Lowe become a little more articulate and less overtly racist of late. However, he couldn't disguise the latter with his last response on the Sentinel website.

Nigel said...

Mr Cope, thank you for you response to my previous comments. When I questioned some of the BNP's proposed policies (bio-fuels, affordable homes for first time buyers) I was disputing their ability to ACTUALLY implement such proposals and are merely empty rhetoric.

We can all say crime bad, jobs good but to be able to formulate and more importantly, finance, such plans in a well thought out and constructive manner is something else entirely. If such proposals were so easy to implement why does it take a back street political party to come up with them? Why have none of the other myriad of parties been able to implement them? What actually does this Bio-Fuels initiative entail or is it just all empty rhetoric to gain populism?

Finally, you and the other BNP stalwarts just don't get peoples repulsion at the mention of a permanent guest status for British BORN AND RAISED people of non-European ancestry. You can deceive yourself all you want but you cant escape the fact that such intentions would effectively relegate BRITISH BORN AND RAISED Black and Asian people to a second class citizenship. It's the fact that yourself and Messrs Craig Pond and especially John Lowe think such actions are
so rational that makes you so irrational.

Nigel said...

Anonymous, I am well aware that people of non-European origin have lived on these shores for 100's of years. It's got something to with a little known thing called the British Empire.
I have also noticed John Lowe's attempts at modifying his comments (he must have been instructed by Mr Griffin) but he can barely conceal his pent up and venomous hatred of all things non Anglo-Saxon even when he so desperately tries.

Anonymous said...

Has anyone actually noticed which parts of the city the BNP have got their footholds in? Has anyone actually thought why these areas and not say, Trentham, Penkhull or Brown Edge?

Anonymous said...

John Lowe's moved according to his posts on The Sentinel. Used to be in Porthill, now it's Wolstanton/ Newcastle. Been reliably informed it's really Bradwell. Nuff said.

Anonymous said...

Why should anyone born as a citizen in this be reduced to "permanent guest" status. If the BNP wasn't racist they wouldn't have any such policy. I don't know why T.Cope is bothered about drug dealers, it's almost like he's sampled plenty of their "wares" judging by what he's written. John Lowe? Just some embittered old bloke who hates everyone.

Tony said...

In fairness, I was involved in the meetings to tackle anti social behaviour around our estate. This meetings were well organised by Rob Flello MP and were well attended. Mr Cope is right about alcohol being a cause. Young people tend to hang around conveniance stores, in our case the local Tesco. Old people were terrified by these teenagers and they were always drinking, Friday's were a no go area. If i had my way there would be a ban on drinking alcohol in public except it designated areas, for picnics ect. I would be interested to know more about the BNP law and order policies, also what do you make of the Gurkha ruling?

nita said...

I simply do not agree, that anyone who is not white, even if they are british born, would be forced into repatriation, or given guest status. My opinion, and probably this differs from other people, but that is part of the debate isnt it.

Gary Elsby said...

It can't be argued that the BNP presence in the City will mean business will go or not set up.
It also can't be argued that investment will not come.
We are in the process of recieving £1bn from the Government for new hospitals and schools etc.. and new businesses appear everyday.

Labour will do for this City what it does for other non BNP councillor Cities.

Labour or the Tories will Govern with no discrimination (apart from Tories spending in working class areas-proven).

Because the people have a say in who's Mayor, it is feasible that a BNP Mayor could appear. A guess would have this at 10%.

An elected Leader and Cabinet would almost render this notion completely out.

Anonymous said...

Tony, the BNP have been noticeably very quiet on the subject of the Gurkha ruling.

On the David Cameron forum they were also questioned over the status of black and Asian service personnel.

On that forum Craig Pond has also gone very quiet when questioned about his own military service in defence of this country he seems to care so much about.

Anonymous said...

To put the record straight, I beleve that the Ghurka's should be given the same rights as any British Soldier, as they have served this country with distinction.
I have served with some of these men, and they are fiercly loyal to this Country,and have more Honour than our MPs, that have for so long kept them like servants for the last 60 years, paying them servants wages.
All members of the BNP that I have spoken to fel the same.
As for the question of finance for the policies we are working on, and have put before the council are attainable.
I will not say where they are attainable from as we do not want the opposition stealing (as they so often do)our policies.
Black, and Asian personel who have served their Country have nothing to fear from the BNP,as I have stated previously, only those that do not follow our laws,and work for this Country risk getting deported, as is in line with other countries policies.
To the "person" who implied I sampled the wares, I have never, and never will use drugs,I had a son that took drugs, and lost him to the scum that supplied him with them.
As I have said before this repatriation issue has been taken out of all context, this is a VOLUNTRY scheme, thats all it is, and people making it seem like we are going to be going round forcing people out of their homes is rediculous.
The initial question was are we a credible Party, well seen against Labour lies, Conservatives greed, and Lib Dem madness YES.
We will prove ourselves, and if we fail then knock us, there is always the ballot box, until the EU ban that.

Nigel said...

Mr Cope, you just don't get it do you. "Voluntary" or not, the fact you even MENTION repatriation of British BORN AND RAISED Black and Asian people is what disgusts people. Also, the fact that you would reduce those very same people to a "PERMANENT GUEST STATUS" in THEIR (YES THEIR) own country is sickening.

So, and let me get this straight Mr Cope, people who happen to be black, in THEIR OWN COUNTRY, will always have the spectre of a repatriation hanging over their heads if they step out of line from the BNP's policies and law and don't "integrate" to the BNP's liking!

Tony said...

Terry, From a Dad to a Dad, i'm truly sorry for your loss. I have family also affected by this horror, a nephew who we hope is turning the corner. Puts politics into perspective doesn't it? I urge all posters to remember that whilst we want passionate debate we are all human beings with a life and it's experiances underneath the politics!

Nigel said...

MR T Cope, I would also like to echo Tony's comments.
The sampling of drugs ware comment was out of order.

Anonymous said...

T.Cope, what you've said regarding black and Asian servicemen is at odds with Craig Pond's response when the question was first raised on the David Cameron forum. His response to the poster was along the lines of "if you like foreigners so much why don't you eff off and go and live with them!!" To you service may mean something but in my own personal experience alot of BNP members/supporters aren't interested and are obsessed with race.

nita said...

I am a member of the team of bloggers, and we intend to leave comments like the sampling of wares on, as it enables readers to make their own mind up, about posters comments. You should always remember, that when making comments they could be hurtful to others.

Anonymous said...

Nigel, where in my post did I say if they don't adhere to BNP policies they will have the spectre of repatriation over them?
Also what is so difficult about being law abiding.
I think you are reading too much into this subject.
This is 2008, not 1943, and we are not the Nazi's the press make us out to be.
I also remember the Labour party dishing out our money to "repatriate" immigrants without any outcry.
As to the other comments about other BNP members comments, they are their own views, I have made mine as clear as I can.
I realise this policy causes controversy, but this is with the consent of the person wanting to repatriate,with financial help to do it.
As for Craig Pond going quite, he his away for a few days but will be back, I am sure.
I thank Nigel, and Tony For their comments on my son, and hope to debate with them, I'm sure opposing views, are always better debated, rather than mud slinging.
T COPE.

Anonymous said...

Terry, why do you insist on posting as anonymous but then signing off as T Cope.

Fill in you full name in the Name Url box

Nigel said...

Mr Cope, I will try once again to convey to you the horror people find in a PERMANENT GUEST STATUS for British BORN AND RAISED Black and Asian people. This is THEIR OWN COUNTRY and to reduce those very same people to second class citizenship in THEIR OWN COUNTRY is downright, damned, disgusting.

You mention this country and others already have a system of repatriation in place. This is for ACTUAL immigrants who are not British citizens. The BNP approve of the "repatriation" of British citizens who are BORN AND RAISED in this country.People who are born in this country are NOT, I repeat NOT, immigrants.

In relation to your denial that a "spectre of repatriation" hands over non-white British citizens, no you did not use those exact words but you claimed that as long as said people abide by you laws or customs would be "repatriated".

Let me make this clear yet again British BORN AND RAISED Black and Asian people are NOT immigrants and should not even have any suggestion whatsoever of a "repatriation" aimed in their direction and CERTAINLY NOT a "PERMANT GUEST STATUS" in THEIR OWN COUNTRY!!!

BNP 4 ME said...

Im fed up of you do gooders protecting ethnics, for god sake its OUR country- THE INDIGINOUS PEOPLE. We should have every right to say who stays or gos.

Anonymous said...

BNP 4 Me, well I'm an indigenous Brit and I say you should go first!!! I would merely exercising the right that you want us to have. Be careful what you wish for because there's an awful lot of the well heeled in this country who would quite happily turf out poor white working class people above and beyond the "ethnics" as some would put it.

British born and bred means just that, where their grandparents etc... came from is irrelevent.

T COPE said...

Nigel, I misslead you in one of my previous posts, by saying our laws, I meant the law of the land, as set out by the Government.
The question of Guest status is not in the policy only "voluntary repatriation", and something which I would question.
Quite where this as come from I don't know, and would be gratefull if you could tell me.
As I have said before,any person (of any race, creed, colour) who abides by the law, and works for the good of all is free to enjoy all the benefits of our society without hinderance or harm, and I will stand by that statement, or be classed any lower than any other person in this country.
There are people (British born and bred) in this country that don't believe they are British, they don't want to be classed as British, what would you do with these people Nigel.
Cliff Richard, and Joanna Lumley were born in India, it would be rediculous to consider them guests.
We have a major problem in this country that needs addressing, and no other party is prepared to sort it out.
Labour have suffocated debate on immigration (as well as the press local and national and media) for the last eleven years, which as created this situation, to the detriment of the British Culture, Heretage, and History, with their multi-cultural experiment, and they wonder why people are angry.
History as proved that this type of experiment can only end in disaster.

Nigel said...

Terrence, you ask me where I and others got this notion of a "Permanent Guest Status". I read it in the BNP's OWN manifesto and on their OWN website. Nick Griffin and other BNP bigwigs have made it quite clear on numerous occasions that non-white people can NEVER be British no matter how many generations they can trace their ancestors back.

I find it hard to believe that you would treat British born Black and Asian people equally when the BNP don't even let something as mundane as letting British born Black and Asian people join the party ranks, yet you let WHITE IMMAGRANTS join such as convicted bomb terrorist (his intended target was a school full of mixed race children) Lambertus Nieuwhof. The party officials deem him to be the right choice to be a regional organiser.

As to your claim that people who are born in this country sometimes don't consider themselves to be British, I believe them only to be a minority- I have heard some people say that they don't consider themselves English but never not British.

Nigel said...

Terrence, with regards to your remarks of people born in this country who don't consider themselves British- I don't feel I gave you enough justice with my two sentence response.

Let's take someone who you and the BNP would consider indigenous. Suppose they convert to a radicalised version of Islam and then don't consider themselves British but want to stay in this country. If they were not breaking the law how could you possibly dictate to such a person how to live. Surely everyone has the right to live whichever way they chose or are you and the BNP trying to dictate to people how to eat, dress, think and generally how to live their lives.That sounds very fascist to me.

Another example would be someone (again lets use the BNP's definition of indigineous people)who just doesn't value Britain or British culture, as upsetting as you may find that surely thats their democratic right to do so.

Anonymous said...

Nigel, quit banging yer mate. No matter how many times people tell the BNP that this permanent guest thing is a load of old knackers they won't have it. Judging by T.Cope's last response it's f*****g clear that members don't read their party material as I too have found references to it in their manifesto and website. However, the BNP website has been 'sanitised' of late because opponents are finding racist content on it and flagging the precise web address.
Anyone with any sense and any decency knows that an immigrant is someone newly arrived on these shores, ie first generation. After that they are just as British as the rest of us.
Besides, the BNP are a bunch of hypocrites on the issue. How can you say someone who's grandparents were Indian is any less British than someone who's grandparents were Polish? This the hypocrisy of the BNP, they would argue that the person with Polish ancestry is white and therefore can consider themselves more British ie they are not facing permanent guest status.
No matter how well they try and package it the BNP ARE a racist party. It's not the membership rules that are issue. I couldn't care less if they limit their membership to whites only. No, it's their policies on citizenship that make them racist. These constant references to the BPA, MCB etc.. are a red herring. None of these organisations is campaigning for an all-Black or all-Muslim Britain, nor are they campaigning to turn white Brits into 2nd class citizens. They are merely groups within an organisation looking after certain member's interests, like a trade union. Likewise no-one would have any objections to similar all-white or all-Christian groups, like the BNP if they were simply standing up for white rights, and not denigrating other groups in our society.

"BNP 4 Me, well I'm an indigenous Brit and I say you should go first!!! I would merely exercising the right that you want us to have. Be careful what you wish for because there's an awful lot of the well heeled in this country who would quite happily turf out poor white working class people above and beyond the "ethnics" as some would put it."

This made me laugh. I've met people who genuinely do believe in this sort of stuff. Strangely enough they were all members of the Countryside Alliance and used to go on about things like "chav hunting" and "chav baiting". And you never hear the BNP complaining about this group excluding Townies neither.
It's being said again and again, the BNP just don't get it. Most people agree with limiting/ controlling new immigration but when they rant on about non-whites the way they do, most people just switch off.

T COPE. said...

Nigel, there has to be a line drawn, and if someone becomes a threat to life and limb, or dissruption to the majority,then they have crosed that line, and no longer belong in that society, is this not sensible?
You state that the BNP will try to dictate how people eat, drink think and live their lives, isn't this being practised by the Labour party now?
So Labour must be the facists, which we know they are.
You state we only allow white British people into the party, well if that makes us racist, why then are not the Black Policemans Association,or the Muslim Council of Britain, or the other 30 organisations that specificaly target their own groups not racists as well.
All we are trying to do (as the others are) is preserve our culture, heretage,and history.
I'm sorry that you don't believe that I could treat a person as a person, and not as a colour, that is your perogative, all I can say in my defence is that I treat people as I find them.
If immigration carries on as it is, our debate will mean nothing, its that simple.
So I will agree that we dissagree, on this subject.
Enjoyed debating with you, and hope to debate with you again.

Anonymous said...

T. Cope, read the last anonymous post, it answered the questions you just asked Nigel. Or are you being a typical politician and sidestepping the answers/issues that don't fit into your agenda?

brooneyes said...

Why are so many of you posting as anonymous? It's pathetic!
Apparently, what people are having trouble with is the repatriation
policy? OK. Repatriation would be a voluntary scheme to get immigrants to renounce their "British Citizenship", and retrun to their ancestral homes with a cash lump sum. This is a policy that the present Labour government are using as we speak!
The decision to stay comes with certain responsibilities on the part of the immigrant.
1) Life would have to be lived according to our laws, culture, and traditions. If you don't want to live like the British, why come here in the first place?
2) Our culture and traditions would not allow for the cruel slaying of animals ritually, for unusual items of apparel for school kids- no headscarves, burkhas, hijabs, or whatever they are called. Schools have uniforms so kids aren't identified as different by their clothes, that's what uniform means!
The whole point of coming to live here is that the British way of life is attractive to you. The point in getting here and then demanding your own schools and places of worship, your own laws and dresscode, should be totally unacceptable to any right minded person! You can't come to live in a democracy and expect to live here as a backward and brutal theocracy.
Not all foreigners fall into that category. Take a look at the Home Offices own figures on crime and you'll see another reason for clamping down on immigrants. The prevalence of drugs, much higher in the black and asian communities than in the white, racist crime, once again, much higher in these communities than the white. Other acts of violence....well, you only have to look at what's happening on the streets of the Capitol city
to see what "enrichment" some of these immigrants bring to these shores.
You can close your eyes to it if you want, and pretend it isn't there, but when the British public finally get the chance to exercise their democratic right to a referendum, you just watch how many are fed up with foreigners getting benefits, housing, healthcare, and all the other things that go to make this the most unfair system of government in the civilised world.

Anonymous said...

Never taken them seriously. Put all the race issues to one side and look at some of their other policies - yes, they do have some.
Old-style Labour economic policies - there's a reason Labour abandoned them, only the worst off like them.
National service and "the citizen's assault rifle" - like most people are going to tolerate being made to do it. Can you just imagine the crime rates as a result, we're nothing like the Swiss.
Re-integrating the Republic Of Ireland - like the Irish are going to want that.
Continually banging on about freedom of speech etc... but telling people certain religions and modes of dress are unacceptable.
The BNP are popular in deprived areas but have little attraction in affluent parts of the country. Anyone got any suggestions why?

brooneyes said...

Anonymous, it never fails to amaze me the double standards that start to appear in any discussion with you bloody lefties. First you say the BNP are a small party,
inconsequential, yet in the next breath you're labelling us as racists, fascists, and all that other crap! Never any specifics, just genrally vague cobblers about you not liking our wish to have people living in this country live
by the laws and traditions that we do. The fact that you go and visit the countries most of these people come from and you'll find that it is very much the case that you are expected to live by their laws!
And it's no good saying this is why these immigrants come here in the first place, to get away from the brutal regimes they live under. If that were the case, they would embrace our way of life and the freedom it gives to the individual. Instead, they arrive here and try to impose on us the very style of regime they supposedly want to get away from.
But still the most important point doesn't seem to have sunk in! This will always be an invalid situation, until the people of this country get the right to vote on whether or not this is what they want! And I guarantee you the result would be a resounding NO!
You think you are defending the principles of democracy, when in fact you are enforcing the principles of fascism. You might not like the answer, but the only fair way to sort this out is to ask the indigenous people if this is what they want.
One last thing. Here in Stoke-on-Trent, there is something happening that we warned of a year or more ago. The overspill from Birmingham is now being housed here in this city thanks to Meredith and the rest of the morons. If it doesn't stop, you will see ethnic communities swell in size, both black and asian. With
their nationally renowned appetite
for drugs, and gun and knife crime,
are you sure this is what you want this city filling up with?

brooneyes said...

Check out the story on here about the two asians caught planning to blow up a BNP building.
Funny how it's not reported in the rest of the media, just one local paper. Can you imagine if it had been two BNP members planning to blow up an asian building......???
http://www.uktabloid.co.uk/Main%20News.html

Gary Elsby said...

Brooneyes knows full well that the nail bomber and other murdeing ant homosexual nuts jailed for life are BNP members and supporters.The best case is of course Tony Martin who shot the burglar 'as he escaped'.You don't read this in the press either, but what is his link to the Nazi's?

Tony said...

Craig, disappointed with this standard of comment as there are many gay people connected with some of the most notorious incident in BNP history. I thought Mike Wolfe was a great mayor as he wasn't any particular parties puppet! Mark Meredith is and look how we've ended up!

Martin said...

Brooneyes, that story you refer to in Dewsbury is on the BBC website's national news. So much for only the local paper reporting it.

The BNP are only a credible alternative nationally if President Murdoch allows it. When the Tories get re-elected at the next election expect the immigration and asylum headlines to disappear from the tabloids.

They'll be replaced by what we saw prior to Labour winning in 1997, headlines about benefit scroungers, gym slip mums and oodles of chav bashing.

Well, a Tory owned press is hardly likely to undermine a Tory government is it? Expect the stories about immigration, asylum, and PC gone mad to come off the front page, and the public's interest to be changed accordingly.

Martin said...

Brooneyes, Telford is the result of a Birmingham overspill being rehoused and it's hardly this rampant orgy of drugs, knife and gun crime that you seem to associate with people coming out of Birmingham.

brooneyes said...

OK. We have had since its inception, two elected mayors. Now it probably is coincidence that both were...........a little light in the loafers, but there is a serious side to this. Perhaps someone that has children, and that lives within the proscribed normality of an average family, will have insights into recreation and education problems that these people won't. A 100% failure rate
is conclusive, but based on only two mayors, it isn't. Still, putting a character of a different make-up in the position could and should produce results other than those we have witnessed. And that is the serious point. How we live impacts directly on how we think and act, maybe a change along these lines will produce the changes required.
And before all you bloody lefties start bellyaching about sexism, the BNP stance on homosexuality is crystal clear; what two consenting adults do in the privacy of their own home is their business, but there should be no public encouragement of this type of behaviour, not in our schools, and
not in the media, and special concessions like allowing homosexuals to adopt is grotesque.
Children need a mother and a father as they receive different
lessons from both.

Deputy mayors dead dog. said...

Remember that the Labour Party Nationally is allowed a view on Elected Mayors and they want them.
The local Labour Party is not allowed a view because they want rid of them. A complete contradiction.
The Government wants them because they bypass local democracy and the mayor and cabinet do not have to consult other councillors.
This is how the BSF programme has been installed against local wishes and the Government's insistence has been achieved.
GET RID OF MAYORS!
MEREDITH IS A PUPPET who is out of control.

Anonymous said...

If homosexuality is an ok thing in the bnp, then why doesn't nick griffin come out?

Martin said...

Anonymous, thats the irony, joking aside, both him and Richard Barnbrook have faced those sort of allegations and there is evidence. As for the BNP attitudes towards sexism and domestic violence, they have Nick Eriksen as spokesman.

They're like all the other political parties out there, they never learn to be squeeky clean, someone is always getting caught doing something to undermine the party. That's the nature of politics in this country, do as I say, not as I do. Actually, it's not just politics, it's all walks of life in general.

Martin said...

Forgot to mention, the comments facility for this story has been pulled from The Sentinel website.

Nigel said...

Brooneyes/Craig Pond, you say the Labour party already has a system of repatriation in place, well yes, for actual immigrants NOT British born citizens as in what you and your party are suggesting.

It's also disturbing and quite revealing of your true feelings and intentions, that you repeatedly refer to Black and Asian British citizens as foreigners and immigrants,the majority of whom are born and raised in this country, many third or fourth generation.

In reference to your link between ethnicity and crime/drugs, are you suggesting that higher crime rates in these communities are due to them just being born black. That sounds rather like eugenics to me. It's also a very simplistic way to look at complex issues and causation. Many factors have to be taken in to account such as economic circumstances , age demographic profile, general opportunities and education standards in particular areas.

1] Economic circumstances-because it is well proven that the lower someones income the higher the possibility of being involved with criminal activity.
2] Age demographic profile- the most important aspect as ethnic minorities have a much younger age profile and across all backgrounds has been proven that criminal activity is caused disproportionately by younger citizens.
3] General opportunities and education standards- people who live in areas where opportunities and investment in education has been lacking will, again, be more likely to be involved in criminal activity. In fact one of the worst places for crime rates in the UK is Sunderland, which is one of the most "indigenous" places in the UK.

As for your claim that the "overspill" of Birmingham is being housed here- that's just scaremongering. Where is your evidence of such, it's just like Michael Coleman's claims that 2000 immigrants were settling in Stoke every week (do the math) or that all Muslims are radicalised and there are no moderate Muslims.

These sort of alarmist,racist, horrid and damned outright lies may work on some deeply uneducated morons in Meir or down "The Abbey" but it wont work elsewhere or indeed almost everywhere else in this country!

brooneyes said...

Nigel, Mike Coleman was talking nationally, not locally!
You seem to suffer from this disease known as "stupidity blindness". You seem to think a person is where they were born.
In an earlier post we told you
Joanna Lumley, Cliff Richard were born in India, so that means they're Indians does it? This is a childishly simplistic view to take.
That means Jesus was a donkey then?!
There is more to being ANY nationality than just being born there. How can you say they are British when they refuse to obey our laws, choosing to follow the sharia instead?
There are now sharia courts in this country recognised by the British judiciary!! How the hell can
a country operate a two tier system of law?
They want mosques, their own schools, call to prayer, their own shops, their own products, their own language, yet you claim they are British??
Rubbish! The ones I feel sorry for are the ones that have resided here for a long time, abided by our laws, and taken on the British culture as their own. It is these people who are being tarred with the same brush as these money migrants. The claim about the overspill from Birmingham is not scaremongering! I have it on the best authority that Birmingham blacks have already been housed here in Stoke-on-Trent, and that there is more to come!
Look up a company called Dark Lake
synectics. They took the Home Office figures(!) and showed them to prove the undeniable facts that really will shock you!
I said this on another post but,
extreme islam is an insane death cult, moderate islam is the trojan
horse that brings it to your door.
We live in the semblance of a democracy, vote for whoever you want.

Nigel said...

Craig, oh you have it on "good authority" about the "Birmingham blacks" (your term) being housed here , that's me convinced.

Where does all this aggression and hatred come from Craig.
Are you playing at "bad cop" to Mr Cope's "good cop".

As for talk of Joanna Lumley and Sir Cliff Richard- ever heard of the term Anglo-Indian!

Your now trying to cover your backs about Michael Coleman's 2000 a week claim by saying it is national. That would mean 104,000 people a year settle in Britain according to you but that's at odds with another BNP claim of 400,000 a year coming. Whats the true figure or have I caught you out!

Martin said...

Best way to undermine the BNP is to allow them to air their views publicly. Just look at what some of them are posting here. It's already been said on The Sentinel website that giving them more airtime and coverage is the best way forward. Expose them to live very public debate more often. Suppressing them is counter-productive, it gives them victim status and allows Nick Griffin to keep a lid on the more "vocal" members.

Martin said...

"That means Jesus was a donkey then?!"

Different animal species are a far cry from different races/ nationalities of the human race. Arguments like this help the BNP opponents portray them as a bunch of semi-educated lunatics.

Anonymous said...

I hate the BNP, they are just a bunch of nail bombing scum!

brooneyes said...

Nigel.
Don't take my word for it, check the facts yourself. Get in touch with your councillor or MP, ask them whether or not we'll be housing Brummies! What agression?
My comments are not agressive, that is simply your interpretation.
Anglo-Indian?! There's another term I've heard of, but I won't use it, wouldn't want you to get all fretful over my agression!
How is it I'm trying to cover my back over your misinterpretation?
You got it wrong, not me, and no-one has asked as to what was meant.
Even a meathead like Martin has enough fingers to count up and see that Mike couldn't possibly have been refering to local immigration.
Martin, you seem to be one of those people who can talk without saying anything. The bit about Jesus is what is known as sarcasm.
Tell me, do you look like Homer Simpson or do you just have a similar IQ?
I live my life by a simple premise; treat people as they treat you. If you don't like what you're getting, it's because of what you're giving!

Martin said...

Like I said, give them a wider, more open platform and let them undo themselves.

Anonymous said...

Does that mean, Craig, that those on recieving end of a Nazi nail bomb should send one by return post?

Nigel said...

Craig, Michael Coleman DID say 2000 immigrants were settling locally but EVEN if you try to backtrack and claim he meant nationally it gives 2 contradicting BNP figures of 104,000 or 400,000-which is it. If it is the higher figure then what of Michael Coleman's 2000 a week claim (nationally or locally), it just becomes the usual pie in the sky figures we've become accustomed to from the BNP.

Even if your claim about housing "Birmingham Blacks" were true, what is your problem-is it because they do not suit your particular racial tastes.

The term Anglo-Indian is a legitimate one and has been used for centuries for those born in India of British descent, just like Black British is a legitimate term.

Nigel said...

Craig, as for living your life by treating people the way they treat you. Have you ever wondered why people treat you like scum when you are always the first to fire off so many disgusting accusations.

It's not necessarily the BNP it's YOU. Others can have civil conversations with people like Terrence Cope but not you. Anyone who has an opposing view to your own is treated like vermin by yourself.

Anonymous said...

I think alot of people will agree with that last one Nigel. If the BNP want to come across as reasonable people locally they might want to think about a change of branch secretary.

brooneyes said...

Anonymous (gary elsby)
You talk of nail bombers, but if you want killers, how about Blair and Brown and the unjustified war in Iraq? Or Afghanistan? When it comes to dealing death, people like you should be the last to get mouthing off!
Nigel, OK, Mike got the figure wrong. Maybe it was the editing of the BBC that was at fault. Point is it was national figures being talked about.
I'll tell you what the problem is I have with housing the Birmingham overspill. It's the quality-or lack of it- we will have to put up with from some of those shipped in.
Not even you can deny that these foreigners have a propensity for crime and violence that is out of all proportion to their numbers. I do not want to have to live with that.
Legitimate term? You're talking of
technicalities! You can't be British and a muslim. The Poles don't give a monkeys about being British, just taking as much money as they can, and the majority of the blacks only seem interested in stabbing, drug dealing, or codging
treatment on the NHS for bloody AIDS!
Nigel, I don't mind you having an opposing view, this is what fires political debate, but you're bleating now about what a nasty man I am because I gave you as good as I got!
The vast majority of people treat me as they like to be treated, and that suits me fine. If you can't take the heat, you know what to do!

Gary Elsby said...

Craig, the war in Iraq was not determined by Tony Blair, this is a falicy of all critics.
Tony arranged that for the very first time in history, Parliament voted ina majority decision to go to war.They could have voted NO.
I'm not anonymous, by the way.

Nigel said...

Craig,
thank you for admitting some sort of deceit or mistake occurred involving Michael Coleman's allegations.

I have to take umbrage with you constantly referring to people born in this country as foreigners-this is THEIR COUNTRY TOO, and you seem to think all black people are AIDS ridden criminals out on a stabbing fest.
The vast majority of black people in this country are law abiding citizens and quite frankly I think your attitude and opinions stink, yeah, like the people of Chell Heath are all upstanding law abiding citizens in full employment.

IF and this a big IF your overspill of "the Birmingham blacks" was true, are you suggesting that you would stop people in THEIR OWN COUNTRY from the freedom of movement and their choice of where they want to live.

brooneyes said...

Nigel, you say you have to take umbrage over the fact that I refer to people born here as foreigners,
but like I said earlier, we consider them foreigners. Just being born here does not make them British, or, as Wellington said,
" Just because a man is born in a stable, that does not make him a horse."
We concur entirely with this deduction.
As to your slur against the good people of Chell Heath, your villify me for my opinions, and then use the same argument (wrongly) against the white working class people where I live!
You are displaying the same twisted attitude that the government do. Anything foreign is fine, anything indigenous is to be destroyed. Roll on the election.

Nigel said...

Craig,
I am well aware that to you and the BNP only white people can be British, no matter how many generations black and asian people may trace their ancestors back they will always be considered foreigners to you.

As for the Chell Heath comment, I was merely highlighting your hypocrisy at the repeated criminal accusations aimed at black people when, lets say, you don't exactly live in an area known for law and order or fully gained employment.

Nigel said...

Craig,
It's not nice is it when people get prejudged for where they come from or dare I say what colour they are!

brooneyes said...

Nigel, I honestly don't know where you get this stuff from. Let me give you an example.
The Ghurkas have finally been allowed residence here in Britain, and although they're coloured and foreign, the BNP could not be happier with their presence here.
They deserve to be looked after for their valiant behaviour, but if you were to ask them if they were British, they would say no.
They are a proud people, proud of where they come from and proud of their affiliations with this country, but they do not try to pass themselves off as British.
These are people of worth that have earned their place here, so many others are nothing more than interlopers, here for what they can get.
There are of course, members of other nations that have earned the right to be here and to enjoy the rights of citizenship, but that doesn't make them British.
Like the Ghurkas, I wish some of the immigrants would not try to mask their ancestry, and instead show some pride in their history.

Nigel said...

Craig,
you say you don't know where I get this notion that you are guilty of prejudging based on skin colour-the answer is YOU. You are constantly demonising Black British people making out they're all drugged up criminals on a stabbing rampage, the evidence is there for all to see in your previous posts.

I see you got mightily upset about being prejudged yourself about the place you come from but your completely blind to the hypocrisy of it all.

Anonymous said...

I'm a local BNP member and I make this post anonymously for obvious reasons. Nick Griffin has made a great effort to make the party look credible, electable, and shed the old "boot boy" image. Yet Craig Pond here is doing everything possible to undermine The Leader's work. He should go. He's a liability.

ZEDDA said...

I THINK THAT MR POND IS DOING A VERY BAD JOB REPRESENTING THE EVIL RACIST PARTY THAT HE IS BELONG TOO.
I'M ONLY FIFTEEN AND I THINK THAT IN A DEMOCRACY THE RACIST NAZIS SHOPULD BE BANNED AND LOCKED UP FOR LIFE IN PRISON.

brooneyes said...

Anonymous, if as you say, you are a local member, make yourself known to me through the e-mail address I sent several weeks ago to all North Staffs members, and I will personally see your complaint gets through to the right people!
I give you my word.

Zedda, you might only be 15, but being young does not excuse being ignorant. If you don't like what the BNP stands for,it doesn't matter, you're too young to vote anyway!

Warren said...

Mr. Cope, how right you are with that one bub, and gess what, thats whats going to run you lot out of power as well. Gess who.

Tony said...

Warren,
Bloody hell dude you took your time!
We dropped enough hints for you to come over and join us. You are among friends here, the team of bloggers think you are a ledgend. We are looking forward to reading your posts and having your say. It isn't all just serious stuff, we have a thread so that people can leave their jokes and we are discussing 70's music on another. Our motto: your site, your city, your say! You are very welcome Wozza!

nita said...

Tony, I'll second that, welcome to the site Warren.

As you can see, on here, you say what you think, and there have been some very different and interesting opinions.

warren said...

Thank you all, at the moment I might be a littel on and off, health not to good again and I keep working,cos I won't let it beat me. But I will try and post most days.I know I'am with freands hear, I think I have agreed on most thinks with the main blogers hear, and Mr. Copes hear to...lol. As for the BNP as a Credible Alternative, to what, to New Labour localy then yes, it is. The BNP gained seets on the council with Old Labour values, and as I said will be removed by locals offering then same values without other more distastefull values being removed.Nationally, the BNP are indeed unelectable. If something can not be done to turn the Labour party to talk true Labour values, and lets face it with the thrid comeing of Mandelson and the spin that prat brings with him, it looks very unlikely, its them lot in blue and god help the working man.Real Labour died the same day John Smith did and most of us know that.

T COPE said...

Warren, I wellcome your input as well, as I have said before, I was a Labour supporter (a long time ago)before Bliar,and Brown dragged it into the gutter.
I support the BNP because I agree with their policies, and will debate policies, not mudslinging as so often happens.
I try to keep an open mind on all subjects.
John Smith is a legend in politics, the like the Labour party will never find again.
As with the rest, well you can say what you like, but they have failed at everything they have dream'nt up on the back of a matchbox.
They have handed an election win to the Tories at the next election, on a plate.
We now live in a dangerous age because of the Labour Party policies, and you have to be blind not to see whats comming.
Until someone stops the madness, we are heading for a disaster.
They say History repeats itself, I hope to god it does not.

warren said...

Mr. Cope, We agree on meny things, you and I, alot more then we differ on. As far as I see we have only one main diffrace. I look forward to hearing you veiws without the constant barraking you get on the other site.I think anyone can work it out from my more considerd postings hear, I'm Old Labour, the politics seen in the New Labour movement dont sit well with me, we need change, wheres its going to come from, lord only knows.The last thing I want to see in this country is them in blue in power again.

T COPE said...

Warren, totally agree, if people debated their differences, instead of using their fists, the world would be a better place.
The other site was crap,constant cenorship, and phantom posting.
I hope we can get down to it and debate all issues.

T COPE said...

Hear you have been bad lately, hope you get better soon.

BNP ARE STILL NAZIS said...

The BNP Hereford Branch was recently founded by a convicted Nazi terrorist and (thankfully failed) child murderer called Lambertus Nieuwhof. Lambertus Nieuwhof was a member of a paramilitary terror group called the AWB or Afrikaner Resistance Movement, led by a notorious South African racist (and Adolf Hitler impersonator) called Eugene Terre'Blanche (who is referred to as "The Leader" in this video). This video depicts the terror campaign in which Lambertus Nieuwhof participated, which the AWB waged against the introduction of democracy in South Africa.

Lambertus Nieuwhof (who is known as "Bep" in BNP circles) planted a 25kg bomb in a mixed-race Calvary church SCHOOL in Nelspruit, South Africa. One of the the gang grassed his "comrades", the Nazis were arrested and convicted, but, like many other AWB thugs, received light sentences from a judiciary still riddled with vicious racists and Apartheid supporters. Using money donated by BNP supporters, the BNP also employ this terrorist (and his company Vidronic Online) to run several BNP websites.

Because the BNP is desperate to distance itself from the actions of BNP terrorists like David Copeland, Tony Lecomber, John Laidlaw and Robert Cottage, some BNP supporters claim that Lambertus Nieuwhof didn't really want to MURDER children, suggesting his bomb was planted one evening when the school was empty - this excuse is about as pathetic as pretending that the IRA didn't really want to kill Maraget Thatcher because the Grand Hotel bomb was planted weeks before it was timed to detonate!

Another prominent BNP activist is Nieuwhof's friend Arthur Kemp. Arthur Kemp is a former member of South Africa's Apartheid-era secret services, who were infamous for their brutal enforcement of evil race-hate laws. Arthur Kemp was arrested for instigating the MURDER of ANC activist Chris Hani, but - BNP activists be warned - Arthur Kemp escaped jail by informing on his white "comrades"! As you can tell from searching You Tube, Arthur Kemp regularly speaks at BNP rallies, including the BNP "Red White and Blue" Festival.

The BNP claim they are no longer Nazi, but right now Arthur Kemp is heavily involved with an American Nazi group called the National Alliance, and with a German Nazi group called the NDP. Kemp recently addressed a Nazi rally in Germany and contributed to a Nazi magazine published by a former SS officer. The BNP denied any responsibility for inspiring the murders carried out by David Copeland, but the BNP sold a terror manual called "The Turner Diaries" which David Copeland admitted inspired his nail-bombs; Arthur Kemp wrote a book called "The Story of the AWB", which celebrates AWB terrorism, and which is sold by the BNP Excalibur Book Service!

The 777 style Swastika flag used by Lambertus Nieuwhof's AWB is the same flag used by the recently convicted Nazi paedophile Martyn Gilleard...

If that all wasn't disgusting enough, the fact that the BNP are still racist is also PROVEN by the BNP actively welcoming white African immigrants into the UK, while pretending to oppose immigration. The truth is that in practice the BNP only oppose immigration if it's by black Africans, therefore the BNP is by definition racist. The BNP also pretend to oppose asylum seekers, while helping foreign CRIMINALS to find what is effectively asylum in the UK from the dangers they created for themselves in their own countries. If there really are BNP supporters who are genuinely not Nazi or racist, these people should leave the BNP immediately!

BNP ARE STILL NAZIS said...

John Tyndall - the Nazi who founded the National Front and then the British National Party. After 1979 the NF split in two, and the BNP was formed from the faction led by John Tyndall. The BNP was taken over by another ex-NF leader, the current BNP chairman Nick Griffin.

Today the BNP claim their Nazi past is over, and that the BNP are in favour of democracy and against racism. However in Nick Griffin admits that the moderate language now used by the BNP is just a trick to help sell BNP ideas to gullible voters, while the actions of people like the BNP deputy leader Scott McLean also prove the central core of BNP activists are still definitely Nazis!

BNP ARE STILL NAZIS said...

This is about the London nail-bomber, BNP member and mass murderer David Copeland. There is no question that David Copeland was a full member of the BNP, that he worked as an accredited BNP steward for main BNP meetings, and as a bodyguard for BNP founder John Tyndall (film of Copeland "protecting" Tyndall appears in this video). BNP supporters claim Copeland was no longer a member of the BNP when he exploded his bombs, BUT...

1. The BNP keep details of BNP membership strictly secret, so there is no evidence whether David Copeland was still in the BNP when he exploded his bombs or not. BNP supporters CLAIM that Copeland had left the BNP, but firstly there is NO EVIDENCE to support that claim, and secondly the current BNP leader Nick Griffin also claims (as seen on TV) that the Nazi gas chambers never existed, so statements made by the BNP can NEVER be trusted!

2. Even if it was true that David Copeland left the BNP after he realised the BNP never deliver their promises, the BNP had nurtured Copeland's beliefs and then denied responsibility when he acted on them. Few Nationalist leaders have the courage to take responsibility for crimes they encourage, so it is important for those leaders to hide, to destroy, and to avoid leaving hard evidence of their ordering atrocities. To trick rank-and-file supporters into taking the rap for crimes WITHOUT the leaders having to go to jail, Nazi leaders even promote an ideology of "Leaderless Resistance" (and it's a measure of how stupid the cannon-fodder can be that some supporters are even gullible enough fall for this trick). "Leaderless Resistance" was promoted to BNP members through sales of a terror manual called "The Turner Diaries" - a book which has inspired Nazi terrorists to murder hundreds of people, and which David Copeland admitted also inspired his killings.

3. After the London bombings, the BNP leader Nick Griffin expressed no sympathy for Copeland's victims, preferring instead to use that opportunity to condemn gay people who drank in the pub where Copeland killed (among others) a straight white woman and her unborn baby. With incredible and callous hypocrisy, Nick Griffin now claims that the BNP is not anti-gay!

4. BNP leader Nick Griffin REFUSED to help the police when 3 times failed BNP councillor Robert Cottage was recently jailed for making nail-bombs, and (though he was expelled years later for a different reason) former BNP official Tony Lecomber (who was at that time Nick Griffin's right hand man) was NOT thrown out of the BNP even AFTER he was jailed for another attempted nail-bombing. The BNP knew South African immigrant Lambertus Nieuhof is a convicted terrorist and wannabe child-killer when they allowed him to form the BNP Hereford branch, but, right now, they STILL refuse to throw him out even after his criminal record has been revealed.

5. David Copeland stated his aim was to use anti-black and anti-Asian terrorism "to cause a racial war in this country", in order to encourage minorities to attack whites, in the hope that white people would then "go out and vote BNP" ...

Anonymous said...

http://bnpmemberslist.blogspot.com/2008/11/su-to-sz.html